>> Ted: THE IMPACT OF A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN SHOULD CONGRESS FAIL TO GET ITS ACT TOGETHER IN THE NEXT FEW DAYSES.

REACTION TO A FEDERAL JUDGE IN TEXAS RULING AGAINST THE DACA PROGRAM.

WE'LL HEAR ABOUT AN ART'S PROGRAM FOR THOSE WITH MILD TO MODERATE MEMORY LOST.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

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>> Ted: GOOD EVE NING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

PRESIDENT BIDEN IS SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE IN PHOENIX AND WILL INCLUDE A NOTHING FOCUSED SPEECH DEDICATED JOHN McCAIN.

HE SPOKE AT JOHN MIC JOHN McCAIN'S MEMORIAL SERVICE.

THE TRIP TO ARIZONA IS ONE OF MANY SCHEDULED APPEARANCES IN ELECTION BATTLEGROUND STATES.

>> A NEW REPORT SHOWS A DROP IN CANCER SCREENING AND SUBSEQUENT DIAGNOSIS DURING THE EARLY DAYS OF THE COVID PANDEMIC COULD BE CONCERNS IN THE YEARS AHEAD.

IT FINDS SIGNIFICANT DECLINES IN THE NEWLY DIAGNOSED CASES OF SIGNIFICANCE MAJOR CANS CAN CANCERS, LUNG, BREAST, AND THYROID.

IT'S DUE TO PEOPLE CANCELING OR POSTPONING CANCER SCREENINGS STAYING HOME DURING THE PANDEMIC.

>>> THE OIL STOCKPILE IS AT A 40-YEAR PROPOSAL THE RESERVE IS DOWN BY 270 MILLION-BARRELS OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AND THIS THEY SAY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DRAINED THE RESERVE LINK THE LINKED TO RUSSIA'S INVASION OF UKRAINE.

THIS WAS DUE TO HIGH OIL PRICES AND THOSE PRICES ARE AT A TEN-MONTH HIGH AFTER SAUDI ARABIA AND RUSSIA AGREED TO EXTEND THEIR VOLUNTARY OIL PRODUCTION CUTS.

ALL OF THIS SIGNALS HIGHER PRICES AT THE PUSH WHICH COULD LEAD TO WORSENING INFLATION.

>>> THE U.S. IS JUST DAYS AWAY FROM A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN HAS CONGRESS CONTINUES TO PUSH FOR DEEP SPENDING CUTS IN EXCHANGE FOR VOTES TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING.

WHAT WOULD BE THE OVERALL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN?

WE ASK THAT TO DANNY COURT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US HERE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.

>> Ted: YOU BET.

WHERE DO WE REALISTICALLY STAND IN TERMS OF A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN?

>> YOU HAVE TO THINK OF A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN LIKE A FORCED STRIKE AND THAT'S TOPICAL FOR WHAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY WITH OTHER STRIKES.

THE LONGER THEY GO, THE WORST THEY GET AND RIGHT NOW, IT IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKELY WHEN WILL HAVE A SHUTDOWN AND THAT WILL OCCUR AND THESE CAN RESOLVE IN ONE DAY OR IT COULD BE SEVERAL WEEKS.

AND SO, REALLY, DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH IS THE DAMAGE TO THE ECONOMY.

>> Ted: THE SENATE, THEY REACHED A DEAL AND KEEPING AGENCIES OPEN THROUGH MIDNOVEMBER.

THAT, OF COURSE, HAS TO GET THROUGH THE HOUSE AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WILL GET THROUGH THE HOUSE, DOES IT?

>> IT DOESN'T APPEAR SO.

THE POLITICAL ELEMENTS AT PLAY LOOKING DEAD SET ON LOOKING WHAT THEY WANT OR THEY GET THAT SHUTDOWN.

SO IT WOULD BE GREAT NEWS IF THEY COULD GET THAT DELAY AND MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE, BUT EVERYBODY IS PLANNING FOR THAT TO OCCUR RIGHT NOW.

>> Ted: SO, IF IT OCCURS, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN?

>> SO, ESSENTIALLY, THEY DECIDE -- EACH AGENCY HAS TO DECIDE WHO IS ESSENTIAL AND WHO'S NOT.

THE LAW IS VAGUE AND INTERPRETED IF YOU'RE ESSENTIAL, MEANING FOR, LIKE, THE MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, MEDICAL SERVICES, THING LABOR THAT ARE ESSENTIAL, AND THEN THERE WILL BE WITHIN EACH AGENCY SOME ESSENTIAL EMPLOYEES.

THOSE EMPLOYEES ACTUALLY BECOME VOLUNTEERS.

NOT BY CHOICE BUT THEY WILL BE UNPAID BUT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO COME INTO WORK.

THEN THERE ARE THOSE THAT WILL BE FURLOUGHED.

THERE WILL BE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES SENT HOME AND THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE A PAYCHECK DURING THE SHUTDOWN.

EVERYBODY IS REIMBURSED AT THE END OF THE SHUTDOWN AND THEY RECEIVE THEIR BACKPAY.

WE LOSE A LOT OF LABOR DURING THAT TIME THAT THOSE FURLOUGHED EMPLOYEES SIT AT HOME AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GOVERNMENT SERVICES STOP.

THE FEDERAL PERMITTED ARE DELAYED, ACCESS TO LOANS PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I MEAN, THERE'S MEDICAL RESEARCH THAT WILL STOP AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

>> Ted: SOUNDS LIKE AN ACCELERATE OF BAD THINGS HERE AND THE LONGER ET GOES IT GOES ON, THE WORST IT BECOMES?

>> THE EMPLOYEES KNOW THEY WILL EVENTUALLY BE PAID, BUT WE KNOW FROM EVEN RECENT SURVEYS THAT 60% OF HOUSEHOLDS IN THE KEVIN UNITED STATES LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND IT COULD BE A BURDEN.

>> Ted: LET'S TALK ABOUT ARIZONA BUSINESSES WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THERE?

>> SO TWO THINGS THERE.

I THINK THE LATEST FEDERAL RESERVE PUT 59,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES IN ARIZONA AND A PORTION OF THE HOUSEHOLDS THAT WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE AFFECTED.

ANY BUSINESSES PROVIDES GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THERE.

TYPICALLY, IT'S A DELAY IN PAYMENT, A DELAY IN PURCHASING THOSE GOODS AND SERVICES, BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S A APARTMENT PERMANENT LOSS DEPENDING ON THE SERVICES.

>> Ted: IF THESE EMPLOYEES WON'T GET CHECKS, THEY GET BACKPAY AND NOT RIGHT NOW.

THAT AGAIN HAS AN EFFECT ON SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.

IT'S EVERYTHING FROM RESTAURANTS TO YOU NAME IT.

>> THINK OF EVERYTHING YOU DO WITH YOUR OWN PAYCHECK, RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT AND, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A DELAY IN HEALTH SERVICES, PERSONAL SERVICES THAT YOU NEED AND DELAY IN A LARGE ITEM PURCHASED, LOTS OF THINGS.

AGAIN, THE LONGER THIS GOES, THE BIGGER THIS EFFECT IS FELT.

>> Ted: DANNY, THIS IS A WEIRD QUESTION AND LONG MATH MIGHT BE NEEDED HERE, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DIMINISHING RETURNS.

HOW MUCH SPENDING IN TERMS OF SPENDING CUTS DO THESE FOLKS WANT?

AND HOW IS THAT OFFSET BY A SLOWING ECONOMY WHERE YOU'RE NEVER GETTING THAT STUFF BACK?

EVENTUALLY, ARE YOU SHOOTING YOURSELF IN BOTH FEET?

>> YEAH.

WELL, WE CAN LOOK BACK TO THE 2018-2019 SHUTDOWN LASTING 35 DAYS AND WE HAD A FIVE-WEEK SHUTDOWN.

THE FIGHT WAS OVER BORDER WALL FUNDING, WHICH YOU THINK WAS AMOUNTING TO $5.7 BILLION THAT WAS WANTED AND THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ESTIMATED THAT THE U.S. ECONOMY LOST ABOUT $11 BILLION DURING THAT SHUTDOWN.

SO YES, POINT IS WELL TAKEN IS THAT THESE ARE WILDLY UNPOPULAR.

A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN IS WILDLY UNPOPULAR AND WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE RIGHT NOW.

COMING UP THE NEXT ELECTION, THIS IS ONE OF THE POINTS MADE, THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS THIS TO HAPPEN AND IT'S INCOMPETENCE AT ITS FINEST.

>> Ted: INDEED.

YOU MAKE THE CASE, PRESENT IT TO THESE FOLKS AND MAYBE THEY FIND ANOTHER WAY GET BA THEY WHAT THEY WANT DONE.

AM I OFF BASE HERE IN.

>> NO.

>> YOU DO NOT PUT THE U.S. ECONOMY AT RISK FOR A POLITICAL FIGHT AND THAT WHAT IT APPEARS TO BE.

A POLITICAL GAME OF CHICKEN AND, AGAIN -- THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS UTILIZED HISTORICALLY.

THIS ONLY BECAME ABOUT IN THE 1980'S OVER AN INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW THAT YOU DO NEED TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT.

OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO STOP GOVERNMENT SERVICES AND, AGAIN, IT WASN'T VERY -- YOU DIDN'T SEE IT VERY MUCH, BUT IT APPEARS THAT OVER LAST TEN YEARS IN EACH OF THE ADMINISTRATIONS, WE'RE SEEING IT MORE AND MORE.

>> Ted: AS FAR AS ARIZONA IS CONCERNED, ANCILLARY AND TRAVEL INDUSTRY, I WOULD IMAGINE THE TRAVEL INDUSTRY COULD GET HURT.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE DO NOT -- WELL, GOVERNOR HOBBS DID INDICATE THAT THE STATE OF ARIZONA WOULD PICK UP THE TAB TO KEEP THE GRAND CANYON OPEN DURING THAT TIME, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS AT RISK AND I BELIEVE, AGAIN, AT THE LAST SHUTDOWN THAT INCLUDED A SHUTDOWN OF A NATIONAL PARKS AND AN ESTIMATE OF NEARLY A HALF BILLION DOLLARS IN LOST VISITOR SPENDING.

AND YOU SAY, OH, WELL, YOU DON'T VISIT A PARK AND VISIT SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT IF YOU START TO AFFECT THESE THINGS -- AGAIN, TRAVEL COULD BE AFFECTED AND TSA AGENTS ARE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND SO, AGAIN THE LONGER IT GOES, YOU MIGHT -- AND WE DID SEE IT IN THE LAST SHUTDOWN.

THE AIR TRAFFIC WAS DELAYED AND CANCELLATION OF FLIGHTS.

SO THIS DISRUPTION, THE RIPPLE EFFECTS START TO GET VERY LARGE.

>> Ted: REAL QUICK BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF THE TIME.

DOES THIS MAKE A RECESSION ANY MORE OR LESS LIKE LIKELY?

HOW MUCH MORE LIKELY?

>> IT DOESN'T HELP.

WE'RE SEEING THESE STRIKES AND THE AUTOWORKER'S UNION AND WRITER'S GUILD, THOSE STRIKES AFFECTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF WORKERS.

AGAIN, AS THOSE RIPPLE EFFECTS GOES, THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES, THE HIRING DELAYS AND THING LIKE THAT THAT ARE ALL LITTLE HITS TO THE ECONOMY.

IN AND OF ITSELF NOT ENOUGH TO CAUSE RECESSION BUT UNWELCOMED.

>> Ted: DANNY, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, THE IMPACT OF A FEDERAL JUDGE IN TEXAS RULING AGAINST THE DACA PROGRAM.

>> A FEDERAL JUDGE IN TEXAS RULED THE DACA PROGRAM IS AGAINST THE LAW WHICH PROTECTED UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE FROM BEING REPORTED INCLUDING NATURALIZATION.

FOR MORE AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR PERSPECTIVE DACA RECIPIENTS, WE WELCOME THE LAW GROUP.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: WHAT DID THIS JUDGE RULE AND WHY I AM THINKING I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE?

>> BECAUSE YOU HAVE.

IT'S A FIVE-YEAR LONG SAGA WITH JUDGE HANNON OUT OF A FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT IN HOUSTON AND HE'S BEEN UNPERSUADED THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAD THE AUTHORITY TO ADMIT THE DACA PROGRAM THROUGH EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY.

SO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CAME IN AND DESOLVED THE PROGRAM FOR FUTURE APPLICATIONS.

AND THEN PEOPLE COULD CONTINUE TO RENEW.

HOWEVER, WHEN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION CAME IN, THEY DECIDED TO TRY TO REVAMP THE PROGRAM BY ALLOWING NEW DACA RECIPIENTS TO APPLY, NOT RENEWALS.

JUST NEW ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS STRUCK DOWN.

AND THEREFORE, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION ATTEMPTED TO PERFECT THE REGULATION BY GOING THROUGH A COMMENT AND NOTICE PERIOD WHERE THE PUBLIC IS ADVISES THESE REGULATIONS WILL TAKE PLACE AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT.

>> Ted: SO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WENT FOR A TECHNICALITY AND THIS JUDGE SAID, I DON'T THINK SO?

>> RIGHT.

IT TRIED TO COMPLY WITH FEDERAL LAW, WHICH IS THE APA AND AMERICAN PROCEDURE'S ACT.

AND THE JUDGE WAS SIMPLY UNPERSUADED.

IT SAID THAT EVEN BY GOING THROUGH THIS PROCEDURAL MECHANISM TO GIVE DACA A MORE LEGAL FOOTING, IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE WAS -- THAT THE EXECUTIVE POWER WAS TRYING TO ASSERT POWER ON IMMIGRATION ISSUES.

>> Ted: WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THIS?

AND IT'S THE SAFE JUDGE?

>> THE SAME JUDGE AND IT GOES TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THE SUPREME COURT WILL HAVE TO RULE WHETHER THE DACA PROGRAM IS VALID THROUGH THE RULE-MAKING PROCESS.

>> Ted: THE SUPREME COURT WOULD RULE NOT IS THE DACA A GOOD THING, A LEGAL THING, BUT HOW IT WAS IMPLEMENTED AND IS THAT A LEGAL THING, CORRECT?

>> THROUGH EXECUTIVE POWER.

>> Ted: WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR CURRENT DACA RECIPIENTS AND WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR RESPECTIVE RECIPIENTS READY TO SIGN UP?

>> NEW APPLICATIONS WILL BE PERMITTED AND THAT'S IT.

FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE DACA PROGRAM, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO RENEW.

HOWEVER, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION WILL CHALLENGE THE ORDER AND TAKE IT TO THE FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS.

JUDGE HANNON STATED THAT HE WAS MAKING A DECISION ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE PROGRAM, THAT HE DID NOT -- WAS NOT MAKING A RULING WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY SHOULD MAKE ANY DEPORTATION OR ARRESTS RELATED TO DACA OF ANY KIND.

>> Ted: SO WHAT IS HE SAYING HERE?

>> HE IS SAYING, I DO NOT WANT TO DEPORT THESE KIDS.

I'M NOT TELLING YOU HOW TO ACT.

I'M TELLING YOU THE PROGRAM IS NOT LEGAL.

>> Ted: YOU GOT TO RENEW EVERY TWO YEARS.

>> RIGHT.

>> Ted: THAT'S STILL IN OPERATION.

>> THAT'S THE FOUNDATION OF THE PROGRAM AND YOU HAD TO RENEW EVERY TWO YEARS.

>> Ted: WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE WHO NOW CAN'T APPLY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN.

>> THEY REMAIN IN AS UNDOCUMENTED STATUS EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE BROUGHT IN AS CHILDREN.

IT'S NOT THAT YOU WILL NOT BE DEPORTED, BUT YOU ARE A LOW PRIORITY BUT YOU'RE BEGINNER AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK AND CONTRIBUTE AND THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT PRIORITY FOR REMOVING THEM FROM THE COUNTRY.

>> Ted: THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE NERVE-WRACKING TO LIVE WITH AND WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM FOLKS?

>> WE GET A LOT OF CALLS AND THEY FEEL THEY'RE IN LIMBO.

NOW THAT JUDGE HANNON'S RULING LEAVES IN PLACE THAT NO MATTER WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOES TO TRY TO PERFECT THE PROGRAM, IT REMAINS A CONSTITUTIONAL ERROR BY JUDGE HANNON.

>> Ted: THIS ALL COULD GO AWAY ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER IF CONGRESS JUST DOES SOMETHING.

>> RIGHT.

CONGRESS COULD CODIFY DACA AND COULD SAY, WE AGREE THAT THESE 800 TO ONE MILLION YOUNG PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING SHOULD REMAIN IN THE COUNTRY AND SHOULD BE ON A PATH TO SECURE LAWFUL RESIDENT STATUS.

>> Ted: THE SUPREME COURT TELLING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THEY IMPROPERLY, THAT THEY ENDED DACA, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

THEY HAD IMPROPERLY, ABRUPTLY CANCELED THE PROGRAM UNDER SECRETARY SESSIONS.

THAT WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF 2017.

>> Ted: WITH THAT IN MIND, WON'T YOU EXPECT THE SUPREME COURT TO DO IF THEY GET THIS CASE?

>> THE COURT IS HIGHLY DIVIDED.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THESE CHILDREN OR THESE YOUNG PEOPLE REMOVED FROM THE COUNTRY.

OR TO BE PUT IN A PIPELINE TO DEPORTATION.

I THINK EVEN JUDGE HANNON'S DECISION, YOU KNOW, HE CLARIFIES HIS POSITION BEEN, RIGHT?

I'M NOT ASKING THE DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ANY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION OR EXPEL THEM FROM THE COUNTRY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL DO.

I THINK THAT THESE YOUNG KIDS ARE AMERICANS CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CONTRIBUTE IN SO MANY WAYS.

I THINK THAT THEY MIGHT PUNT THE ISSUE AND SEND IT BACK TO CONGRESS TO SAY IT'S CONGRESS WHO NEEDS TO ACT.

>> Ted: SO LAST QUESTION, TIMELINE FOR PUNTING, FOR DOING SOMETHING OR GETTING THE CASE, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?

>> ABOUT ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF.

>> Ted: OF NO FIRST APPLICANTS AND YOU CAN RE-UP BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

>> CORRECT.

THERE'S NO DEFINITIVE STANCE ON DACA.

>> Ted: BOY, GOOD INFORMATION AS ALWAYS AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: SCOTTSDALE ARTS IS OFFERING A PERFORM FOR THOSE WITH MILD TO MODERATE MEMORY LOSS.

IT'S AN ART'S PROGRAM DESIGNED TO IMPROVE THE MOOD AND OUTLOOK OF THOSE WITH MEMORY ISSUES.

HERE TO TELL US MORE IS THE CURATOR OF LEARNING AND INNOVATION AT SCOTTSDALE ARTS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

>> Ted: THIS IS A MEMORY LOUNGE, ISN'T IT?

>> YES.

>> Ted: WHAT IS THAT?

>> FOR PEOPLE WITH MILD TO MODERATE DEMENTIA AND CARE PARTNERS TO COME TOGETHER TO SCOTTSDALE ARTS.

SOMETIMES IT INVOLVES A TOUR OF THE EXHIBITIONS AND WE GO INTO THE WORKSHOP SPACE AND EACH TIME IS DIFFERENT.

WE DO A DIFFERENT WORKSHOP.

IT COULD BE DANCING, DRUMMING AND IT COULD BE CREATING VISUAL ART.

AND WE JUST ENGAGE IN THE ARTS FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF AND THE PEOPLE REALLY SEEM TO ENJOY IT.

>> Ted: ENGAUGE IN ARTS TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> Ted: DO YOU SEE THAT AND IS IT IMMEDIATE OR THE KIND OF THING THAT WE HAVE TO HEAR THE DRUMMING FOR A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE IT SINKS?

[ Laughter ] >> YES, YOU SEE IT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY WHEN PEOPLE ENJOY THEMSELVES AND WE DON'T MAKE ANY CLAIMS THAT MEMORY LOUNGE HAS ANY EFFECT ON CURING ALZHEIMER'S.

WE WISH WE COULD.

>> Ted: RIGHT.

>> FIRST OF ALL, IT INTRODUCES PEOPLE TO NOVELTY AND NEW THINGS EACH TIME.

EACH MEMORY LOUNGE IS DIFFERENT.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THE BRAIN RESPONDS BY CREATING MORE NEUROPATHWAYS.

>> Ted: YES.

>> IT MAKES A HEALTHIER BRAIN AND SOMETIMES IT WILL OPEN THOSE NEUROPATHWAYS BLOCKED BY ALZHEIMER'S.

SO WE WILL OCCASIONALLY HAVE MAGIC MOMENTS, WE CALL THEM.

IT'S A FLEETING MOMENT BUT THE CAREGIVER CAN LOOK AT THEIR LOVED ONE AND SAY, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN AWHILE.

>> Ted: THAT'S FANTASTIC AND SO REWARDING!

HOW DOES IT WORK?

IS IT A GROUP OF FOLKS OR DO YOU SIGN UP OR ARE YOU TOLD TO GO HERE AND HOW DOES IT WORK?

>> YEAH.

PEOPLE SIGN UP AND REGISTER AT SCOTTSDALE.LEARNING.ORG OR THEY CAN CALL THE BOX OFFICE.

AND IT'S A NOMINAL FEE, $20 PER COUPLE.

AND WE HAVE PROGRAMS PLANNED WAY IN ADVANCE SO PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR ALL THAT THEY WOULD WISH TO AND JUST COME BY.

>> Ted: SO IT'S KIND OF A GROUP THING.

>> IT IS.

AND WE GET THE SAME PEOPLE COMING BACK.

>> Ted: A LOT OF FELLOWSHIP GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THAT'S ONE THE REASONS WE DO IT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER AND REDUCES ISOLATION AND DEPRESSION.

THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE AND THEIR CARE PARTNERS.

>> Ted: SOUNDS LIKE A MAJOR GOAL OF THE WHOLE PROGRAM.

>> YES.

>> Ted: I'M SEEING NATURAL BUNDLE DYING OF A TEA TOWEL AND WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> THE ARTISTS BROUGHT IN DRIED HERBS AND BOTANICALS AND TEA TOWELS AND PASSED THESE BOWLS OF VERY COLORFUL BOTANICALS AROUND THE ROOM AND PEOPLE PLACED THEM WHERE THEY WANTED THEM AND WE ROLLED THEM UP AND PUT THEM IN A STEAMER AND EVERYBODY LEFT WITH A JACKSON AN POLL OCK ONE.

>> Ted: WHAT IS THIS?

>> THIS IS A STRUCTURED DRAWING PROCESS.

YOU CAN EVEN GET CERTIFIED TO TEACH IT.

IT'S QUITE THE THING.

>> Ted: YES.

>> BUT THE PURPOSE, IT'S A RELAXING DRAWING PROCESS AND SO WHILE DRAWING IN THE WAY YOU'RE INSTRUCTED.

IT RELAXES AND MEDITATIVE.

AND SO DR. STANLEY IS COMING TO DO THAT.

>> Ted: ZEN TANGLES.

AND AFRICAN DRUMMING AND THAT'S PRETTY POPULAR, I WOULD THINK.

>> WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE GROUP WHO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE PREFER MUSIC AND SOME VISUAL ARTS AND TRY TO MIX IT UP.

>> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO THE TEA TOWELS AND CAN YOU DO THE DRUMMING AS WELL?

WILL THEY LET YOU PARTICIPATE?

>> YES.

EVERYTHING IS PRECIP PRECEPTOR.

ADAM WHAT IS >> Ted: WHAT IS CREATE YOUR OWN SHRINKY-DINKS.

>> IT'S A STAIN-GLASSED EFFECT AND WE'RE MAKING COMPASS ORNAMENTS DOING THAT AND WE GET THESE BIG SHEETS OF PLASTIC AND MARKERS AND CREATE DESIGNS THAT WE WANT AND STICK THEM IN THE TOASTER OVEN.

[ Laughter ] >> Ted: IT ALL SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN AND LEAD BY PROFESSIONAL ARTISTS, PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO A IS SHRINKY DINK.

>> WE TRY TO KEEP IT NEW AND FRESH.

>> Ted: AND SOME AT SMOKA.

>> THERE WAS AN EXHIBITION LAST YEAR, WHERE THEY CAME IN AND DID A WORKSHOP FOR US AND IT'S A LOT OF FUN TO COLLABORATE WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.

>> Ted: WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THIS AND BEST OF LUCK FOR THE FALL SERIES.

>> I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU.

>> Ted: THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING!