>>> POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE FOUND TO HAVE LIED ON THE JOB OR OMITTED CRUCIAL INFORMATION ARE TYPICALLY SUPPOSED TO LOSE THEIR BADGE, BUT A NEW AUDIT BY THE CITY'S INSPECTOR GENERAL SHOWED THAT THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALLOWED MORE THAN 100 OFFICERS WHO HAVE FILED FALSE REPORTS TO STAY ON THE JOB.

SOME WERE EVEN PROMOTED AFTER BEING FOUND TO HAVE LIED.

THE IG REPORT ALSO RECOMMENDS CHANGES ON HOW DISHONEST OFFICERS ARE IS A BLEND AND HERE WITH MORE ON THE FINDINGS IS CHICAGO INSPECTOR GENERAL DEBORAH WISMER.

WELCOME TO CHICAGO TODAY.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

FIRST OF ALL AT ISSUE HERE IS ROOM 14.

EXPLAINED TO US FOR THE LAYPERSON WHAT RULE 14 IS.

>> IT IS THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RULE OF CONDUCT WHICH PROHIBITS FALSE REPORTS.

IT PROHIBITS LYING.

SO THE EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT RULE STANDS BETWEEN US AND A WORLD IN WHICH POLICE OFFICERS GET AWAY WITH LYING.

>> I REMEMBER RULE 14 DURING THE LAQUAN McDONALD SITUATION POPPED UP A LOT.

OFFICERS AT THE CLIMB WERE ABLE TO MAKE STATEMENTS, VIEW VIDEO AND THEN CHANGE THEIR STATEMENTS.

HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHETHER AN OFFICER HAS INDEED VIOLATED RULE 14?

>> IT'S A HIGH STANDARD TO PROVE A VIOLATION OF THE RULE AND ACCORDING TO THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT, THE UNION AGREEMENT BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY, IN ORDER FOR A MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE VIOLATED RULE 14, THEY MUST MAKE A STATEMENT THAT WAS FALSE, WILLFUL AND MATERIAL.

>> YOUR REPORTS AND FOUND THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENTLY EMPLOYS A MINIMUM OF 110 OFFICERS THAT VIOLATED RULE 14.

WHY ARE THEY STILL ON THE JOB?

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE SET OUT TO LOOK AT, THIS INQUIRY WAS REALLY ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH ROOM 14 IS EFFECTIVELY ENFORCED.

WE STARTED BY THINKING ABOUT WHAT EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT LOOKS LIKE AND THAT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO WHETHER VIOLATIONS OF RULE 14 ARE APPROPRIATELY PURSUED, PUNISHED, AND PUBLISHED.

>> AND YOU FIND IN THESE 110 CASES, WITH A LITTLE BIT OF ALL OF IT, SOME OF THEM WEREN'T PURSUED, SOME OF THEM JUST ESCAPED PUNISHMENT.

AS YOU FOUND, SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY WERE PROMOTED.

>> MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE, ALL OF THOSE ARE ONES AGAINST WHOM RULE 14 VIOLATIONS WERE EVENTUALLY SUSTAINED, BUT THEY WERE NOT FIRED.

THEY WERE NOT SEPARATED FROM THEIR JOB.

>> BUT LEGALLY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

>> THEY SHOULD BE, AND IN FACT, ALL OF THE AGENCIES INVOLVED IN THE CHICAGO POLICE ACCOUNT ABILITY SYSTEM, THE BUREAU OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS, COBRA AND THE POLICE FORCE AT ALL MADE STATEMENTS OF THEIR BELIEF THAT THE FIRING IS THE RIGHT PUNISHMENT FOR VIOLATING REPORTING.

>> YOU FOUND POLICE MISCONDUCT AND THE BUREAU OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THERE'S A CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, COBRA, AND THERE'S A POLICE BOARD.

YOU RECOMMENDED FIRING EVERY OFFICER THAT YOU TALKED TO AND VIOLATED RULE 14, AND THEY ACTUALLY DO THAT.

>> THEY CAN, AND WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO EACH OF THESE AGENCIES TO DO THEIR PART, TO WALK THE WALK ON THE STATEMENTS THEY HAVE MADE.

FOR BIA AND COBRA TO RECOMMEND A SEPARATION WHEN THEY PURSUE 14 VIOLATIONS AND FOR THE POLICE BOARD TO UPHOLD THAT VIOLATION.

>> IS THERE ANY REASON THAT THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT GAVE YOU FOR NOT UPHOLDING THE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE FOUND BY THE POLICE BOARD TO HAVE BEEN ACTUAL VIOLATIONS?

>> WE PUBLISHED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPONSES WITH OUR REPORT SO IT'S ALL THERE.

THEY APPROPRIATELY KNOW EACH CASE IS DIFFERENT AND EFFECTIVE EACH CASE ARE DIFFERENT BUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF RULE 14 AND THE APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT FOR VIOLATING IT CANNOT VERY.

WE CANNOT SEND THE MESSAGE THAT SOME LIVES MATTER AND OTHERS DON'T.

>> WHAT ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DEPARTMENT, FOR THE INVESTIGATIVE BODIES, COBRA, SO ON AND SO FORTH?

>> THE TOP LINE RECOMMENDATION IS THEY PURSUE SEPARATION EVERY MEMBER THEY FIND IT TO HAVE VIOLATED RULE 14 .

THEN WE MAKE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND ADJUSTING PRACTICES TO GET TO THE EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULE.

>> AND IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT CPD -- YOU SAID THERE STATEMENT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT.

HAVE THEY SIGNALED A WILLINGNESS TO COMPLY?

>> THEY SIGNALED SOME WILLINGNESS TO FOLLOW SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE RECOMMENDED IS IF THERE ARE IN FACT MEMBERS WHO CONTINUE TO BE ON THE JOB, WHO VIOLATED RULE 14, THAT THEY BE REMOVED FROM ANY ASSIGNMENT, WHICH MIGHT REQUIRE THEM TO WRITE REPORTS AND TESTIFY IN COURT, WHICH THEY CAN'T MEANINGFULLY DO ONCE THEY VIOLATED THE RULE.

THE DEPARTMENT AGREED TO REVIEW THOSE ASSIGNMENTS ALTHOUGH THEY DID NOT COMMIT TO TAKING ANYONE OUT OF THOSE ASSIGNMENTS.

>> ON A MACRO LEVEL, WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO HAVE THESE OFFICERS KEEP THEIR JOBS, TO IN MANY INSTANCES BEYOND THE STREET WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE EITHER MADE FALSE STATEMENTS OR LIED?

>> IT HAS AN ENORMOUS IMPACT ON THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE ECOSYSTEM.

THOSE OFFICERS CANNOT TESTIFY IN COURTS.

THEY CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THE PROSECUTION OF CRIMES, THE CAN'T KEEP PEOPLE SAFE FROM CRIMES WHEN THEY CAN'T PROSECUTE.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

THE OTHER ENORMOUS IMPACT COMES IN THE