>> Ted: NEXT DAY ONE OF A HOUSE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRE HEARING FOR JOE BIDEN.

THE INCREASING IMPACT OF A.I.

ON THE COLLEGE ADMISSION'S PROCESS.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.

>> Announcer: THIS HOUR OF LOCAL NEWS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE FRIENDS OF PBS AND MEMBERS OF YOUR PBS STATION.

THANK YOU.

>> Ted: GOOD EVE NING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

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PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS IN THE VALLEY FOR A PRIVATE FUNDRAISER AND TO HONOR HIS FRIEND, THE LATE SENATOR JOHN McCAIN.

HE IS WARNING OF THREATS TO ONGOING DEMOCRACY.

>> THE MAGA MOVEMENT, AND NOT EVERY REPUBLICAN ADHERES TO THE IDEOLOGY AND I KNOW IT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH REPUBLICANS MY WHOLE CAREER.

BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THESE REPUBLICAN PARTIES ARE DRIVEN AND INTIMIDATE BID INTIMIDATED BY MAGA REPUBLICAN TREATMENTS.

ALL OF US ARE ASKED, WILL WE AS JOHN WROTE, NEVER QUIT?

WE MAKE HISTORY AND WILL WE PUT PARTISANSHIP ASIDE AND PUT COUNTRY FIRST?

I SAY WE MUST AND WE WILL.

LET BE CLEAR, WE MAKE PROGRESS ANDAND IT'S STILL AT RISK.

>> Ted: THE PRESIDENT MADE HIS REMARKS AT THE McCAIN LIBRARY AND PRESIDENT BIDEN AND JOHN McCAIN WERE GOOD FRIENDS DESPITE FROM BEING FROM DIFFERENT POLITICAL PARTIES.

JOHN McCAIN'SPARTIES.JOHN McCAIN'S WIFE, CINDY McCAIN WAS THERE.

>> THIS WILL PROVIDE THE BEATING HEART AND SOUL TO HELP FURTHER THE CAUSES JOHN DEARLY BELIEVED IN AND WILL BE THE IMPETUS TO BRING THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONGED, TO THE PLACE HE LOVED SO, ARIZONA.

>> Ted: ON CAPITOL HILL TODAY, THE HOUSE BEGAN AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INTO PRESIDENT BIDEN AND CLAIMS BY THE REPUBLICANS THAT THERE WERE NEFARIOUS ACTIONS WITH HIS SON HUNTER BIDEN.

NO PROOF WAS OFFERED BY OWN WITNESSES.

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THE CURRENT EVIDENCE WOULD NOT SUPPORT EVIDENCE OF IMPEACHMENT.

THIS IS SOMETHING AN ININQUIRERY HAS TO ESTABLISH.

>> THE MAJORITY IS EMPTY-HANDED WITH NO EVIDENCE OF ANY PRESIDENTIAL WRONG-DOING, NO SMOKING GUN, NO GUN, NO SMOKE.

>> Ted: AND WE WILL HAVE MUCH MORE ON THAT HEARING TODAY IN JUST A MOMENT.

ONE MORE HOMELESSNESS, GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE, KARI LAKE, WILL ANNOUNCE HER CANDIDACY FOR A U.S. SENATE ON OCTOBER 10th.

THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WHICH LAKE, WHO REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER LOSS AND REFERS TO HERSELF AS THE GOVERNOR AND WILL JUNE LAMB FOR SINEMA'S SEAT AND SINEMA YET TO ANNOUNCE IF SHE'S RUNNING FOR ELECTION.

RUBEN GALLEGO IS THE FIRST RUNNING DEMOCRAT IN THE RACE.

>>> AN IMPEACHMENT HEARING INTO PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VARIOUS ALLEGATIONS THAT THE PRESIDENT RECEIVED IN PROPER FINANCIAL BENEFITS FROM THE BUSINESS DEALINGS OF HIS HUNDRED, HUNTER BIDEN.

FOR ANALYSIS ON WHAT WAS HEARD AND ACCOMPLISHED, WE, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY, PAUL CHARLTON, A PARTNER AT THE WHITE COLLAR INVESTIGATION'S PRACTICE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING US MAKE SENSE OF THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, THE DEFINITION, WHAT IS AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AND HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM OTHER THINGS WE'VE SEEN?

>> THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, SAY THE REPUBLICANS, TO GATHER EVIDENCE TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD HAVE A FORMAL IMPEACHMENT HEARING.

THIS IS AN INQUIRY AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GATHERING EVIDENCE AND EVEN THEIR OWN WITNESSES IN YOUR INTRODUCTION SAYS THERE WASN'T SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO BEGIN THE FORMAL IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.

ONE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE, TED, IS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT A TRIAL.

THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.

THIS IS AT THE END OF THE DAY A POLITICAL PROCESS, THE PARAMETERS ARE SET OUT BY THE CONSTITUTION.

>> Ted: AND YET, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS DIFFERS FROM PREVIOUS IMPEACHMENT ACTIVITY.

AGAIN, THIS IS AN INQUIRY AND THE FIRST STEP AND I GET ALL OF THAT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE FIRST STEP, SHOULD YOU NOT HAVE AT LEAST SOME -- THERE WASN'T A SINGLE WITNESS WHO HAD PROOF OF ANYTHING.

THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.

>> EACH WITNESS INDICATED THEY WERE THERE AS EXPERTS AND EACH SAID THEY DID NOT HAVE INDEPENDENT KNOWLEDGE OF ANY OF THE ALLEGED FACTS.

THIS WAS CRITICISM BOTH ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE AND ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE INDICATING THERE WAS A LACK OF EVIDENCE THAT TODAY'S HEARING, THAT THE REPUBLICAN RESPONSE WAS, WE'RE ONLY BEGINNING.

WE'LL TRY TO GATHER MORE EVIDENCE AND THAT'S WHY WE CALL THIS AN INQUIRY.

>> Ted: YOU'RE BASICALLY ESTABLISHING A REASON FOR THE INQUIRY.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW?

>> THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE CRITIQUE PUT FORWARD.

THE REPUBLICANS SAY, THOUGH, THIS IS APPROPRIATE.

ONE OF THEIR EXPERT WITNESSES, A PROFESSOR, JONATHAN TURLEY, SAID THEY MET THE THRESHOLD FOR BEGINNING THIS PROCESS.

>> Ted: HOW DO YOU MEET THE THRESHOLD WITHOUT SOMEONE SAYING AT LEAST, HERE IS PROOF?

>> SO FAR, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING FORWARD PROOF THAT RELATES TO PRESIDENT BIDEN'S SON, HUNTER.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER IS ANY KIND OF A CONNECTION BETWEEN HUNTER BIDEN'S EVEN ADMITTED-WRONG-DOING.

HE WENT INTO COURT WITH TAX OFFENCES.

THAT IT DEMONSTRATES PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS INVOLVED IN THE WRONG-DOING THAT HUNTER BIDEN ADMITTED HE WAS INVOLVED IN.

>> Ted: THIS IS SIR CIRCULATING AROUND THE IDEA THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN MIGHT HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.

>> THIS IS, AS WE SAY, A POLITICAL PROCESS.

AND THIS IS TO SOME DEGREE A KIND OF POLITICAL THEATER.

THE REPUBLICANS CLAIM THEY'RE GOING FORWARD IN GOOD FAINT.

THE DEMOCRATS, OF COURSE, HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT VIEW AND SAY THERE'S A COMPLETE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE.

>> Ted: WE HAD TWO IMPEACHMENTS OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

DID WE HAVE THE INQUIRY HEARINGS SIMILAR TO THIS?

>> THERE HAVE BEEN THREE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, IF YOU WILL AND IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.

YOU RECALL IMPEACHMENTS USED TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOOL HIDDEN BEHIND GLASS.

YOU BROKE IT IN CASE OF EMERGENCY AND NOW THEY'RE BECOME MORE COMMON.

THERE HAVE BEEN VARIED STEPS THAT TOOK PLACE TWO TIMES WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP.

BUT THERE WERE NOT THE SORT OF -- EXCUSE ME.

THERE WASN'T A FULL VOTE BY THE HOUSE AND THIS INQUIRY, WASN'T ON THE INQUIRY RELATING TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.

THERE ARE VERY FEW HARD AND FAST RULES HOW IT IS YOU BEGIN THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.

THE CONSTITUTION SETS OUT HOW IT IS YOU VOTE ON THE IMPEACHMENT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOW YOU VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT THE TO FORMERLY IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT.

THIS IS NOT SET OUT IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THERE WILL BE A VARIATION ON HOW IT IS THEY DO FORWARD.

GO FORWARD.

>> Ted: YOU MENTION IT'S NOT A TRIAL AND IT'S THE FIRST STEP, I GET THAT, BUT SIT A GRAND JURY MEETING AND A TRADITION?

HOW DOES THIS DIFFER FROM ANY TRADITIONAL PROSECUTION?

I'M TRYING TO GET A HANDLE.

>> IT'S VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM A GRAND JURY PROCEEDING AND CERTAINLY IN A TRIAL, WHERE THE RULES OF EVIDENCE APPLY AND HEARSAY IS EXCLUDED AT A TRIAL.

BECAUSE THIS IS A POLITICAL PROCESS, CONFERENCE GETS TO DECIDE WHAT IS A HIGH CRIME OR MISDEMEANOR FOR WHICH A PRESIDENT CAN BE IMPEACHED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY CAN SAY WHAT THE TERMS ARE AND WHAT THE WRONG MAY BE.

THEY HAVE YET TO FORMERLY DECIDE AND PUT TOGETHER FACTS WITH.

WE'LL SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE REPUBLICANS COME FORWARD WITH THAT CONNECTING PIECE OF INFORMATION BETWEEN FATHER AND SON AND HASN'T BEEN PRODUCED SO FAR.

>> Ted: I WONDER IF TODAY'S SHOWING WOULD -- WHAT'S NEXT?

IT WOULD SEEM AFTER TODAY'S SHOWING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO BUCKLE THINGS DOWN HERE.

IT DIDN'T SEEM ALL THAT BUCKLED TODAY.

>> AT THE END OF THE PROCEEDINGS, THE CHAIR SAID HE WOULD SUBPOENA BANK RECORDS FOR HUNTER BIDEN AND HIS BROTHER.

THAT MIGHT BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS THEY SAY IS GATHERING EVIDENCE.

THAT MAY DEMONSTRATE, AND ALTHOUGH AS WE SAY, YET TO CONNECT THE PRESIDENT WITH ANYTHING.

THAT'S A PART OF THE CRITICISM AND PART OF THIS CRITICISM IS NOT JUST FROM DEMOCRATS BUT REPUBLICANS, AS WELL.

SAID THIS IS NOT A WORTHWHILE USE OF THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE ABOUT TO GO INTO A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

>> Ted: THAT'S A BIG DISTRACTION ON CAPITOL HILL.

DISTRACTIONS, NON-THELESS AND THIS KEEPS GOING, WHAT'S NEXT?

IS THERE A HEARING PART TWO?

>> THE REPUBLICAN LEADER SAID THIS WILL GO FORWARD EVEN IN THE EVENT OF A SHUTDOWN.

THEY'RE ESSENTIAL AND WILL GO FORWARD.

WHILE A NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES MAY FIND THEMSELVES WITHOUT PAYCHECK, THIS PROCEEDING WILL GO FORWARD AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT RESULTS IN ANYTHING.

THE DEMOCRATS ARE CERTAINLY SKEPTICAL AND YOU CAN SAY THE REPUBLICANS ARE HOPEFUL FUND.

>> Ted: IS THIS A TIME TABLE, NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH?

>> NO SET TIME TABLE AND ISN'T HAVE TO BE A TIME TABLE.

IF YOU WERE A REPUBLICAN STRAT STRATEGIST, YOU WOULD SAY TO PLAY THIS OUT FOR AS LONG WE CAN AND A DEMOCRAT SAYING THERE'S NO EVIDENCE.

>> Ted: POLITICALLY, YOU COULD SAY THE PRESIDENT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.

WE REFERRED TO THIS EARLIER ON, IMPEACHMENT USED TO BE -- THIS WAS A SOLEMN OCCASION AND NOT A LOT THROWN AROUND AND SERIOUS BUSINESS.

IT DOESN'T SOUND IT'S QUITE AS SERIOUS AS IT USE THE USED TO BE.

AM YOU WRONG?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS, NOT THE GRAVITY OR INQUIRY AS THIS ONE, THERE WERE MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE DAY IN THE HEARINGS WHEN THE CONGRESS PEOPLE, THE REPRESENTATIVES WEREN'T PRESENT.

THERE CAME A POINT IN TIME IN WHICH THE DEMOCRATS ASKED A SUBPOENA TO BE ISSUED SO FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LAWYER, RUDY GIULIANI, COULD BE BROUGHT INTO THE HEARINGS AND COMPELLED TO TESTIFY ABOUT WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT ANY WRONG-DOING PRESIDENT BIDEN COMMITTED.

THAT VOTE ALMOST SUCCEEDED FOR THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH DEMOCRATS PRESIDENT.

THEY BROUGHT THEM BACK INTO THE COMMITTEE HEARINGS AND MADE THE VOTE AND THAT IS A REFLECTION, I THINK, THAT TO SOME DEGREE, EVEN THE MEMBERS THEMSELVES AREN'T TAKING THIS HEARING AS SERIOUSLY, WE THE PUBLIC, MIGHT WANT THEM TO.

>> Ted: YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO BE TAKEN AND AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

PAUL CHARLTON, ALWAYS A PLEASURE AND A LOT OF EXPLANATION.

THANK YOU.

>> YOU GET.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, PRESIDENT BIDEN VISITS ARIZONA TO DEDICATE A NEW LIBRARY HONORING THE LATE SENATOR JOHN McCAIN.

>> AS WE MENTIONED, PRESIDENT BIDEN TODAY DELIVERED A SPEECH ON THREATS TO AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

FOR MORE ON THE NEW McCAIN LIBRARY, WE WELCOME EVELYN FARKAS.

EVELYN, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

BUSY DAY FOR YOU, HUH?

>> IT'S AN EXCITING DAY FOR US AND FOR ARIZONA.

>> Ted: THE McCAIN LIBRARY DEDICATED TODAY AND WHAT WENT ON?

>> THE SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FLEW INTO ARIZONA EAR DECLARED TO ALL OF THE WORLD THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD FUND WHAT IS IN EFFECT A PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY FOR THE LATE SENATOR JOHN McCAIN WHO WAS PRESIDENTIAL AND DIDN'T SERVE AS A PRESIDENT.

HE WAS A STATESMAN, A WAR HERO AND SOMEBODY WHO GOVERNED MANY YEARS AND HELPED AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF ARIZONA IN CONGRESS USING COURAGE, CONVICTION AND FROM A CHARACTER-DRIVEN CENTERING, IF YOU WILL.

>> Ted: I GET ALL OF THAT ONE BUT WILL THIS LIBRARY INCLUDE?

>> IF YOU'VE BEEN TO A TRUMAN LIBRARY OR OTHER PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY, THEY HELP THE PERSON'S HISTORY AND THEIR LIFE COME ALIVE AND ENVISION HOW YOU WOULD HAVE ACTED IF YOU WERE A PRISON OF WAR FOR FIVE YEARS LIKE SENATOR McCAIN.

WOULD YOU HAVE COME OUT AND BEEN WILLING DECADES LATER TO FORGIVE YOUR ENEMY AND LEADING THE RECONCILIATION BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND VIETNAM?

WOULD YOU HAVE SPOKEN OUT AGAINST TORTURE UNDER THE THEN PRESIDENT BUSH ADMINISTRATION WHEN WE HAD BIG FIERCE DEBATES.

AND SENATOR McCAIN SAID, IT DOESN'T WORK AND IT'S WRONG.

THE MEMORY OF SENATOR McCAIN WILL BE KEPT ALIVE AND THE EXPERIENCE OF WHO HE WAS IS IMPORTANT.

IT'S NOT JUST FOR PEOPLE IN ARIZONA BUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

WE HAVE A GLOBAL MANDATE TO CREATE CHARACTER-DRIVEN LEADERS AND I MEET PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO KNOW WHO JOHN McCAIN IS.

THERE ARE STREETS NAMED JOHN McCAIN ALL OVER THE WORLD.

SO YOU WILL HAVE INCREASED TOURISM IN ARIZONA, AS WELL, AS A RESULT OF THIS LIBRARY.

>> Ted: I WANT TO GET TO THAT, BUT WHERE WILL THE LIBRARY BE LOCATED?

>> SO THERE'S A SITE THAT APPARENTLY THE GOVERNOR AND ARIZONA STATE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN HOLDING IN RESERVE UP ON A HIGHER ELEVATION WAITING FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT AND RIGHT BUILDING.

SO THIS WAS A BIPARTISAN HAND-OFF, IF YOU WILL.

GOVERNOR DUCEY, THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, PREVIOUS GOVERNOR, APPROVED THE PLAN TO BUILD A LIBRARY HONORING THE LAWSUIT SENATOR ON THIS SITE TOGETHER WITH ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY.

SO IT'S VERY MUCH A PARTNERSHIP.

THE McCAIN INSTITUTE IS, BY THE WAY, A PART OF ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY.

WE'RE UNDER THEIR UMBRELLA.

ALTHOUGH WE'RE LOCATED IN WASHINGTON, D.C.

THIS LIBRARY WILL GIVE US AN ACTUAL OFFICE ON THE TEMPE CAMPUS.

BUT IT WAS THEN SENT TO THE CURRENT GOVERNOR HOBBS AND SAID I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE AND I HONOR IT.

LET'S DO THIS.

THIS IS A BOON TO THE STATE AND OUR COUNTRY.

WE'RE UPLIFTING THE EXAMPLE THAT ALL AMERICANS SHOULD FOLLOW.

WE SHOULD ALL BE CHARACTER DRIVEN LEADERS.

WHETHER WE'RE DOING THIS IN OUR LIVING ROOM OR IN THE STATE CAPITOL OR IN WASHINGTON, D.C. >> Ted: FUNDING FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> Ted: AGAIN, GOVERNOR HOBBS AND GOVERNOR DUCEY GOT THIS BALL ROLLING AND GOVERNOR HOBBS SECURED THE FUNDS, TRUE?

>> BOTH OF THEM WERE FULLY ACTIVE.

>> Ted: ALONG WITH THE STATE.

QUICKLY, IT'S A MULTIPURPOSE FACILITY AND DESCRIBED AS THAT TO LEARN AND RESEARCH AND TO WORK.

ONCE IT'S ALL DONE, WHEN I GO THIS, WHAT CAN I DO?

>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH WHO JOHN McCAIN WAS MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD IN A MUSEUM.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO READ ABOUT HIM AND THERE MAY BE A RECREATION OF THE POW EXPERIENCE, SO OF THE SO-CALLED PRISON, IT WAS A PRISON AND NOT A HOTEL.

AND THEY MAY RECREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND MAKE IT A PLACE WHERE IT BRINGS HOME POWERFULLY, THE IMPACT OF WHO JOHN McCAIN WAS.

FOR US, KEEPING THE MEMORY ALIVE IS ACTUALLY A MOTIVATION.

WE FIND THAT IT MOTIVATES PEOPLE TO CONTINUE THE WORK FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY.

WE STAND UP FOR POLITICAL DISSIDENCE ALL OVER THE WORK AND TRY TO HELP FRONTLINE DEMOCRACIES LIKE UKRAINE AND REPUBLICAN GEORGIA.

I'LL TAKING A PRIVATE GROUP OF BUSINESS PEOPLE, DEFENSE TECH AND TECH COMPANIES TO UKRAINE IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE WILL DISCUSS THERE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF HOW TO HELP UKRAINE IN A WAY THAT HELPS OUR PRIVATE SECTOR.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO, WE'RE RUNNING SHORT OF TIME, BUT IS THERE A TIMELINE HERE?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A TIMELINE YET AND I'M GUESSING IT WON'T TAKE AS LONG AS IT MIGHT HAVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SITE.

I'M SURE TO GET THE FUNDING MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOME PLANS, WITH LET'S GET THIS GOING.

>> Ted: EVELYN FARKAS, THANK YOU FOR MAKING TITLE FOR US.

IT'S BEEN A BUSY DAY FOR YOU AND THE INSTITUTE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS, TED.

♪♪ >> Ted: A.I.

IS AN EVER-GROWING TECHNOLOGY BECOMING STUDENTS IN A VARIETY OF STUDENTS INCLUDING HELPING THOSE STUDENTS WRITE COLLEGE ESSAY ADMISSIONS.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO THE PROCESS?

WE ASKED STACY DEAN FROM THE SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR.

A.I., JUST IN GENERAL WITH A.I.

AND EDUCATION, WHERE DO WE STAND?

>> WELL, EVERY UNIVERSITY AND EVERY COLLEGE WITHIN UNIVERSITIES ARE TRYING TO SORT THIS OUT.

IT REALLY ACCELERATED LAST FALL AND EVERYONE IS EVERYONE IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY'LL ALLOW AND PROHIBIT.

>> Ted: THE LAW SCHOOL AND POLICY AT ASU REGARDING APPLICANT USING A.I., ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE AS PERSONAL AND INDIVIDUALISTIC AS AN ESSAY, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?

>> WE DECIDED TO ALLOW OUR PERSPECTIVE STUDENTS TO USE THIS BECAUSE WE KNEW THEY WERE USING A VARIETY OF TOOLS.

SO THIS WAS JUST ONE MORE IN THEIR TOOLBOX POINT WHAT IS VERY LITTLE KNOWN TO MOST PEOPLE IS THAT IN THE ADMISSION'S CYCLE, MANY LAW SCHOOL APPLICANTS CAN HIRE THIRD H-PARTY CONSULTANTS TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR APPLICATION.

WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BROADEN THIS THAT THEY MIGHT CONSULT.

>> Ted: SOME PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO DO THIS AND I WOULD THINK AT TIMES, AN ADMISSION'S ESSAY IS SHOWING ROUGHNESS AROUND THE EDGES AND SHOWED SPARKS HERE AND THERE AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

>> OUR STUDENTS ARE SO SOPHISTICATED ENTERING INTO THIS MARKET AND GO THROUGH MULTIPLE DRAFTS BEFORE IT MAKES ITS WAY INTO THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

SO WE THOUGHT IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND THE FACT THAT IS MANY OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ALREADY TECHNOLOGY SAVVY, THIS MADE THE MOST SENSE.

>> Ted: IS THAT GENRETIVE OF A.I.?

AND HOW DOES IT WORK?

IF I'M A PERSPECTIVE STUDENT.

>> LET SAY I WAS AN UNDERGRADUATE ATHLETE IN BEING A PUBLIC DEFENDER SOME DAY, I MIGHT USE A PROMPT TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT MIGHT AN ESSAY LOOK LIKE FOR SOMEONE WITH MY BACKGROUND.

ESSENTIALLY, IT WOULD GENERATE A FIRST DRAFT FOR YOU.

IT'S THE KINDS OF THINGS TO PUT IN THERE.

YOU COULD PUT WORD LIMITS ON IT.

BUT OUR STUDENTS KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD TO BE VERY CAREFUL.

IT WON'T BE A CUT PAST.

PASTE.

IT MIGHT GIVE THEM AN IDEA IN THE SAME WAY OF THE ESSAYS ON A GOOGLE SEARCH.

>> Ted: BUT THEN AGAIN, CRITICS ARE CALLING THIS AUTOMATED PLAGIARISM.

ARE THEY WRONG?

>> THEY ARE WRONG BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO GIVE THE FIRST DRAFT, BUT ONE OF THE CRITIQUES OF A.I.

IS THAT IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO HALLUCINATE, RIGHT?

AND SO IT WILL ADD ADDITIONAL FACTS THAT WHEN YOU READ THAT FIRST DRAFT, IT'S NOT PUBLIC GOING TO RELATE TO YOUR EXPERIENCES.

OUR STUDENTS MAY SEE, OK, THAT'S AN INTERESTING WAY TO LAY THIS OUT AND I MIGHT WANT TO PERSONALIZE IT IN THIS WAY AND WON'T JUST CUT AND PASTE AND PUT SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MATCH THEIR EXPERIENCES.

>> Ted: YET, WHEN YOU REACH THIS LEVEL, CRITICAL THINKING AND WRITING SKILLS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AND WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THEIR SKILLS?

>> I THINK IT CAN SHARPEN THEM.

IF TALK TO LAWYERS, VERY FEW ARE PRODUCING ANY TO A COURT OR CLIENT THAT IS A FIRST DRAFT.

THEY'RE GOING THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS AND SO, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE APPLICATION CYCLE, TOO.

FOR THOSE HA THAT THAT CHOOSE TO USE IT.

>> Ted: DO YOU THINK THEY'LL CHOOSE TO USE IT?

I DON'T KNOW.

WE ASK THAT THEY DISCLOSE IT IN THE SAME WAY THEY DISCLOSE A THIRD PARTY.

WE'LL GET MORE DATA THROUGH THIS YEAR AND WHO'S USING IT AND WHO'S NOT.

>> Ted: IT SOUNDS LIKE A CALCULATE WHEN THEY WERE FIRST USED IN MALIGNANT MATH CLASSES.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAY.

WE WILL LOOK BACK AT HOW FRIGHTENED PEOPLE WERE OF THIS.

>> Ted: THE ADMISSIONS PROCESS IS IMPORTANT, BUT IF GENERAL, A.I.

AND LEGAL ISSUES IN THE LEGAL FIELD, WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE?

I MEAN, A.I.

IS IMPRESSIVE AND SCARRY AT THE SAME TIME.

>> TECHNOLOGY IS RAPIDLY EVOLVING AT SUCH A PACE THAT IT'S ALMOST INCONCEIVABLE.

AND SO, I THINK LAWYERS ARE LOOKING WITH GREAT INTEREST TO SEE HOW THEY MAKE THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES MORE EFFICIENT.

THERE ARE COMPANIES NOW THAT WILL GENERATE A FIRST DRAFT OF A CONTRACT, LET'S SAY, OR TO HELP WITH PLEADINGS OR MOTIONS BEFORE A COURT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEE THIS EVOLUTION OF TECHNOLOGY TAKE OFF AND WHEN WE FAST FORWARD, THIS WILL BE A PART OF THE EVERY DAY PRACTICE OF LAW IN THE SAME WAY THAT WORLD PROCESSERS AND COMPUTERS WERE.

>> Ted: INTERESTING.

AS FAR AS ETHICAL ISSUES ARE CONCERNED, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR INACCURATE INFORMATION?

>> WELL, THE ATTORNEY WOULD BE AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PRESS UPON OUR LAW STUDENTS.

IT'S ON YOU TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION.

WAS EVERYONE AT THE LAW COLLEGE ON BOARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR TACT?

>> WE WORK WITH 60 ATTORNEYS SO THERE IS NO WAY EVERYBODY WAS ON BOARD AND MADE PERFECT SENSE FOR US.

WE'VE HAD THIS CENTER FOR LAW, SCIENCE AND INNOVATION AND FITS THE FORWARD-THINKING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A LONG TIME.

>> Ted: NOT TOO MUCH PUSHBACK?

>> NOT TOO MUCH PUSHBACK.

PEOPLE HAVE JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND.

>> Ted: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING SENSE OF THIS CRAZY A.I.

WORD.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M.

>> Ted: AND THANK YOUTED SIMONS AND THANK YOU FORJOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.