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TED: COMING UP NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WITH PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP BACK IN OFFICE?

>>> ALSO TONIGHT, A NEW STUDY FOCUSES ON THE LIKELY SOURCE OF THE COVID-19 OUTBREAK?

>> I .

>>> A NEW BOOK OF PHOTOS OF NATIONAL PARKS AND MONUMENTS.

NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

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TED: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

ANOTHER DAY, ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL CABINET CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP.

TRUMP ANNOUNCING HE'S CHOSEN ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR. TO BE THE NEXT SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, ANTI-VACCINE ACTIVIST AND HOLDS A VARIETY OF VIEWS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES VERY MUCH AT ODDS WITH HEALTH EXPERTS.

THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT OVERSEES DRUG, VACCINE AND FOOD SAFETY TO MEDICAL RESEARCH AND THE MEDICARE AND MEDICAID PROGRAMS.

THIS, AS FALLOUT CONTINUES OVER TRUMP'S CHOICE OF CONTROVERSIAL FLORIDA CONGRESSMAN MATT GAETZ FOR U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL.

REPUBLICANS ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WHICH WILL CONSIDER THE GAETZ NOMINATION ARE NEITHER CELEBRATING NOR CRITICIZING THE PICK.

>> ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

HE CHOSE MATT GAETZ.

MATT WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND ASKED HARD QUESTIONS AND WE'LL SEE HOW HE DOES.

>> I BARELY KNOW GAETZ.

HE LIKES PICKING FIGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

HE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT IN COMMITTEES.

I DON'T KNOW HIS BACKGROUND, I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM A FAIR HEARING.

>> IF THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES, THERE WILL BE FIEM FOR ALL OF THAT.

I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THOROUGH BACKGROUND LOOK INTO ALL OF THE NOMINEES.

MY OWN PRESUMPTION WITH ALL OF HIS NOMINEES IS THE PRESIDENT IS ENTITLED TO CHOOSE HIS CABINET AND I PRESUME I'LL SUPPORT THEM.

TED: GAETZ RESIGNED HIS SEAT IN THE HOUSE NOT LONG AFTER BEING CHOSEN BY TRUMP, DAYS AFTER HOUSE ETHICS COMMITTEE WAS TO RELEASE A REPORT OUTLINING SEXUAL MISCONDUCT, DRUG USE AND ALLEGED CORRUPTION CONDUCT WITH GAETZ.

DEMOCRATS WANT THE REPORT AND DOCUMENTS PERTAINING TO GAETZ PRESERVED.

>> IN LIGHT OF DONALD TRUMP'S SELECTION OF FORMER CONGRESSMAN MATT GAETZ TO BE ATTORNEY GENERAL, I'M CALLING ON THE HOUSE ETHICS COMMITTEE TO PRESERVE AND SHARE THEIR REPORT AND ALL RELEVANT DOCUMENTATION OF MR. GAETZ WITH THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.

THE SEQUENCE AND TIMING OF MR. GAETZ'S RESIGNATION FROM THE HOUSE IS A SERIOUS QUESTION ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE HOUSE ETHICS COMMITTEE REPORT.

WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS VALUABLE INFORMATION, FROM A BIPARTISAN INVESTIGATION, TO BE HIDDEN FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

TED: ONE MORE HEADLINE, THE SATIRICAL NEWS SITE THE ONION WON A BIDDING WAR TO ACQUIRE CONSPIRACY THEORIST ALEX JONES' INFOWARS.

LATER THE JUDGE ORDERED A HEARING AFTER JONES CHALLENGED THE SALE.

THE PURCHASE WOULD ALLOW THE ONION TO OWN THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY THAT JONES USED TO SPREAD CONSPIRACIES INCLUDING SUGGESTING THAT THE SANDY HOOK MASSACRE WAS A HOAX.

FAMILIES OF CHILDREN KILLED SUED JONES FOR DEFAMATION WITH JONES ORDERED TO PAY MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS.

THE SALE OF INFO WARS TO THE ONION IS SUPPORTED BY SANDY HOOK FAMILIES.

>>> DONALD TRUMP'S ELECTION AS PRESIDENT COULD PUT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IN THE POSITION OF BEING THE LAST LINE OF DEFENSE IN KEEPING TRUMP FROM DOING WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO, LEGAL OR OTHERWISE.

BUT DOES THE HIGH COURT HAVE THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY?

JOINING US IS ATTORNEY STEPHEN MONTOYA OF MONTOYA, LUCERO AND PASTOR.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU.

TED: THIS IS INTERESTING.

THE SUPREME COURT COULD BE THE LAST INSTITUTION STANDING BETWEEN TRUMP AND DOING HONESTLY WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

THE SENATE WOULD ALSO BE INVOLVED, THOUGH, INCLUDING THE HOUSE.

THE HOUSE COULD IMPEACH, THE SENATE COULD CONVICT.

THAT WOULD BE HIS THIRD STRIKE ON THAT.

TED: BUT THE CONCEPT OF A TRUMP -- RIGHT NOW, THE LOOK OF THAT CONGRESS, CONVICTING, IMPEACHING -- NOT MUCH.

>> TRUE.

TED: SO WHAT IS TO KEEP DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT TRUMP, FROM COMMITTING CRIMES?

>> I THINK PUBLIC OPINION.

THE SUPREME COURT COULD INTERVENE.

THE SUPREME COURT DID ORDER PRESIDENT NIXON TO TURN OVER THE TAPES, THE WHITE HOUSE TAPES, ALLEGEDLY REFLECTING CRIMINALITY.

HE COMPLIED WITH THE COURT ORDER.

PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE PAST HAS COMPLIED WITH ORDERS FROM THE FEDERAL COURTS.

TED: BUT WHAT IF HE DOESN'T?

>> WELL, HE COULD BE HELD IN CONTEMPT, HELD IN CRIMINAL CONTEMPT.

HE COULD BE ARRESTED BY THE UNITED STATES MARSHALS, WHO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE UNDER THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE OFFICERS OF THE COURT, AND THEY DO REPORT TO THE COURT.

THE ATTORNEYS AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ARE ALSO OFFICERS OF THE COURT OBLIGED TO OBEY COURT ORDERED, THOUGH THEY ARE PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.

TED: WHAT IF HE SAYS I'VE GOT IMMUNITY, I'M THE PRESIDENT, I CAN DO THIS, X, Y AND Z, I CAN DO ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAYS.

I'VE GOT IMMUNITY, I'M THE PRESIDENT, I'M IGNORING YOU?

>> THE IMMUNITY IS IMMUNITY FROM CRIMINAL CONVICTION.

IT'S NOT -- HE'S NOT IMMUNE FROM CIVIL INJUNCTIONS, ORDERS FROM THE COURT ORDERING HIM TO DO SOMETHING, BUT YOU RAISE A COMPELLING AND STRONG POINT.

WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS.

TED: YES.

>> AND THE OUTCOME OF A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS IS ALWAYS UP IN THE AIR.

TED: SUPREME COURT, THIS SUPREME COURT, WELL NOT THIS SUPREME COURT BUT THE SUPREME COURT PUSH BACK AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN HIS FIRST TERM IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING THIS GO-AROUND?

>> I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH BACK DEPENDING HOW FAR HE PUSHES THEM OR IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

I THINK THE COURT WANTS TO MAINTAIN ITS INDEPENDENCE.

I THINK THE COURT IS DEVOTED TO ITS OWN VISION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

I THINK ALL LAWYERS ARE TRAINED TO RESPECT THE INTEGRITY AND THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE COURT, I DISAGREE WITH WHAT COURTS DO A LOT AS A PRACTICING LAWYER, BUT I RESPECT THEIR ORDERS.

EVERYONE WHO'S GONE THROUGH LAW SCHOOL, EVERYONE WHO RAISES THEIR HAND AND SWEARS THE OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION REALLY WANTS TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE COURT, AND I THINK HE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A VERY CORRUPT OR CRAZY ATTORNEY GENERAL TO DISOBEY A COURT ORDER.

TED: BACK TO THE IDEA OF IGNORING THE SUPREME COURT.

VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT VANCE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL REFERRED TO ANDREW JACKSON DOING JUST THAT, IGNORING THE COURT, AND THE QUOTE WAS THE CHIEF JUSTICE MADE HIS RULING, NOW LET HIM ENFORCE IT.

THAT'S WHAT ANDREW JACKSON SAID ABOUT CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN MARSHALL.

THERE YOU GO.

IT'S NOT OUT OF REALM OF POSSIBILITY, IS IT?

>> NO, IT'S NOT OUT OF THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY, BUT WE HAVE TO HOPE THAT EVERYONE IS GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND SANER MINDS PREVAIL.

I DON'T KNOW WHY VICE PRESIDENT-TO-BE VANCE WOULD SAY SOMETHING THAT RECKLESS AND THAT IRRESPONSIBLE.

THAT CERTAINLY IS REGRETTABLE AND INFLAMMATORY.

AND UNPROFESSIONAL FOR A LAWYER TO SAY THAT.

YOU KNOW, VANCE IS A LICENSED LAWYER.

TO PROCLAIM THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DEFY A COURT ORDER, THAT IS UNPROFESSIONAL, AND THAT IS UNETHICAL FOR A LAWYER TO DO.

TED: OKAY, WITH ALL OF THIS IN MIND, ARE YOU EXPECTING OPENINGS ON THE SUPREME COURT.

IF SO, WHAT GIVES?

>> WELL, I AM EXPECTING OPENINGS ON THE SUPREME COURT, AT LEAST ONE OR TWO.

I WAS RESEARCHING THIS IN PREPARATION FOR THIS SHOW, AND MOST PRESIDENTS GET TO NOMINATE ONE OR TWO, TRUMP WAS LUCKY, HE GOT THREE.

I THINK HE'LL PROBABLY GET ONE OR TWO MORE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT GIVEN THE FACT HE'S ALREADY APPOINTED THREE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO APPOINT A LOT OF LOWER COURT JUDGES, AND THESE JUDGES THAT HE'S APPOINTING ARE INCREASINGLY RADICAL.

REMEMBER THAT THIS FIFTH CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS IS DOING A LOT OF THINGS, EVEN THIS CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT IS NOT HAPPY WITH AND IS CONSISTENTLY REVERSING.

IT USED TO BE THE LIBERAL NINTH CIRCUIT BEING REVERSED.

NOW IT'S THE ULTRACONSERVATIVE FIFTH CIRCUIT REVERSED AND TRUMP COULD ELEVATE SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OF THE FIFTH CIRCUIT TO THE SUPREME COURT, IF AN OPENING ARISES.

TED: WOULD AN OPENING ARISE FOR RETIREMENT, DO YOU THINK?

ALITO AND THOMAS LOOK LIKE THE TWO MOST LIKELY TO DO -- YOU SEE THAT IN THEIR FUTURE?

>> NO, I DON'T.

ALITO PRECLUDED IT, PRIVATELY.

THOMAS HASN'T SAID ANYTHING, HE'S THE OLDEST BUT NOT THAT OLD, HE'S ONLY 76.

AS YOU KNOW, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WATCH TELEVISION TO KNOW HOW IT'S NO SURPRISE WHEN SOMEONE PASSES AWAY.

TED: OR IF YOU HAVE A CANDIDATE WHO SAYS I'M COMFORTABLE LEAVING NOW AND HAVE THIS PRESIDENT MAKE A SUCCESS -- WHETHER HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THE FINAL CHOICE, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT SOUNDS AS THOUGH -- THEY COULD DO THAT TO ENSURE THE CHAIRS CONTINUE TO BE HELD BY A CONSERVATIVE FOR DECADES TO COME?

>> THEY COULD, BUT KENNEDY DID THAT WITH THE ASSURANCE THAT CAVANAUGH WOULD REPLACE HIM.

I'M NOT SAYING I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF KAVANAGH BUT KAVANAGH IS NOT CRAZY AND NOT A RADICAL.

HE'S A MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE, BUT REPLACING ONE MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE WITH ANOTHER WILL JUST PROLONG THIS CONSERVATIVE STREAK IN THE SUPREME COURT INTO THE FUTURE RATHER THAN CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE COURT AND MAKING IT SOMETHING RADICALLY FAR RIGHT, WHICH I DON'T THINK IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IT IS REALLY THE MOST CONSERVATIVE COURT THAT WE'VE HAD PROBABLY FOR 60 YEARS, BUT I DON'T SEE IT GETTING PUSHED FURTHER TO THE RIGHT UNLESS TRUMP IS ABLE TO APPOINT ANOTHER JUSTICE.

TED: ALL RIGHT, INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

BOY, LOTS OF STUFF GOING ON.

>> IT'S AN EXCITING TIME COURTWISE, THAT'S FOR SURE.

>> STEPHEN MONTOYA, MONTOYA, LUCERO AND PASTOR.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR.

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TED: A NEW INTERNATIONAL STUDY LED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA LOOKED AT LIKELY SOURCES FOR THE COVID-19 OUTBREAK, BASED ON HEALTH RECORDS AND GENOMIC DATA FROM THE EARLIEST DAYS OF COVID.

MICHAEL ORBY LED THE STUDY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THIS BASICALLY, YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS IT THE WET MARKET, IS IT THE LAB?

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

>> WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT CAME FROM, LOOKED AT EVERY POSSIBLE HYPOTHESIS, THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF YEARS OF WORK AND QUITE A FEW STUDIES, A LOT OF THEM THAT CAME OUT OF MY LAB AND WITH COLLABORATORS, AND IN THIS CASE, WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF HAVE THE KIND OF DATA THAT WE DREAMT ON EARLY IN THE PANDEMIC, IF YOU HAVE GENETIC MATERIAL FROM THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, WHAT STORY IS GOING TO BE TOLD BY THE NOT JUST THE GERMS THERE, BUT THE BACKGROUND IN THERMS OF WHAT ANIMALS MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE.

TED: THIS IS THE FOOD MARKET IN CHINA, THEY INCLUDED THE SELLING OF LIVE ANIMALS, AND WHAT YOUR REPORT FOUND IS SOME OF THE MAMMALS HAD THE COVID VIRUS AND TRANSFERRED -- WHAT DID YOU FIND?

>> SURE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL GIVE A REALLY QUICK BACKGROUND ON THIS MARKET AND THE EVIDENCE TO DATE BEFORE OUR STUDY CAME OUT.

THIS IS CALLED THE SEAFOOD MARKET, THAT WAS A BIT OF A MISNOMER IT.

SOLD ALL SORTS OF THINGS, INCLUDING, IT TURNS OUT, IT WAS ONE OF THE JUST FOUR PLACES IN TOWN SELLING THE KIND OF LIVE, EXOTIC MAMMALS THAT BROUGHT US THE FIRST SARS VIRUS SO CIVETS AND ANIMAL RACCOON DOGS, AND AT FIRST THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT WAS ASSERTIVE AND SAID LOOK AWAY, NOTHING TO SEE, THESE ANIMALS WEREN'T SOLD THERE.

WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW LINES OF EVIDENCE ABOVE THE CITY OF 12 MILLION PEOPLE, IT'S SUSPICIOUS INDEED THAT THE FIRST CASES START APPEARING AT PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AND FOLKS WHO DON'T WORK THERE, THE EARLIEST CASES ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THIS MARKET.

WHAT THIS STUDY WAS ABLE TO DO IS USE INFORMATION THAT WAS GENERATED BY THE TEAM FROM THE CHINESE CDC THE DAY THAT THE MARKET WAS CLOSED ON JANUARY 1, 2020 WHERE, THEY SWABBED SURFACES FROM DOORS, WALLS, BUT ALSO THINGS LIKE ANIMAL CAGES AND CARTS, AND THEN SEQUENCE THE HECK OUT OF GENETIC INFORMATION IN THE SAMPLES AND LOOK AT WHERE IS THE SARS-CoV-2, THE COVID VIRUS, WHICH ANIMALS WERE THERE, AND WHAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP.

TED: WHEN YOU GOT ALL THIS INFORMATION, THE MARKET WAS A HIT, AND THE REPORT FOUND THAT MAYBE A WOMAN WORKING AT THE MARKET MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE FIRST COVID VIRUS?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING THING THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE A VIRUS THAT DOESN'T LAND MOST PEOPLE IN THE HOSPITAL, THE EARLIEST CASES THAT WE KNOW ABOUT ARE NEVER THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO ARE INFECTED, BUT YEAH, WE HAVE THE EARLIEST KNOWN CASE IS PROBABLY A WOMAN WHO WORKED IN, I KNOW EXACTLY WHICH STALL SHE WORKED IN, AND SHE ACTUALLY, HERSELF, SAID I THINK I GOT THIS VIRUS FROM SHARING A BATHROOM WITH THE GUY SELLING THESE LIVE ANIMALS.

TED: WOW.

>> THERE'S ALL SORTS OF FUNNY CLUES BEYOND THE SCIENCE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HERE.

TED: YOU GOT THAT ON ONE SIDE, PEOPLE WHO WILL CLAIM FOREVER THAT IT CAME OUT OF A RESEARCH LAB IN CHINA.

YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT'S NO GO, THAT'S DONE, RIGHT?

>> AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ANYONE ENTERTAINING THAT HYPOTHESIS AND, IN FACT, I WAS ONE OF THE SCIENTISTS WHO EARLY ON WAS SAYING TO MY COLLEAGUES AND, IN FACT, I INITIATED A LETTER BY SCIENTISTS THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN A PROMINENT SCIENCE JOURNAL SAYING LISTEN, IT'S TOO EARLY TO CALL.

WE NEED TO TAKE THIS POSSIBILITY SERIOUSLY AS PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE A SCIENCE AND SCIENTISTS.

THAT LETTER PROMPTED THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION TO DO THEIR 90 DAY INTELLIGENCE REVIEW.

SO I'VE BEEN THERE.

WHAT I DID AFTER THAT POINT IS LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE WE DIDN'T HAVE AT THE TIME BUT UNFOLDED THROUGH TIME, AND WHAT YOU SEE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, THE REAL COINCIDENCE IS WITH THIS MARKET, THE EARLY CASES ARE NOT FOLKS WHO WORKED AT THAT LAB OR LIVED AROUND IT, THEIR FOLKS -- IT WOULD BE LIKE IF THERE WAS AN OUTBREAK OF AN EXOTIC VIRUS IN AND AROUND THE ONE PET STORE IN PHOENIX THAT SOLD RACCOON DOGS AND CIVETS.

AND I STARTED WITH THIS THOUGHT THAT IT IS A WEIRD COINCIDENCE THAT THERE'S A LAB THAT STUDIES THESE VIRUSS IN THIS CITY.

TED: YES.

>> ANYONE LISTENING THINKING I'M RIGHT THERE WITH YOU, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

BUT EVERY CITY IN CHINA HAS A LAB CAN YOU POINT TO AFTER THE FACT LIKE THAT.

TED: BOTTOM LINE, MICHAEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.

BOTTOM LINE, THIS DOES MIRROR THE SARS VIRUS THAT CAME A FEW YEARS EARLIER, CORRECT?

>> IT REALLY DOES, IT REALLY DOES, AND IT'S TELLING US THAT NATURE AND THESE ANIMAL MARKETS OPERATE AT BIOSAFETY LEVEL ZERO.

WE'RE BOMBARDED BY DANGEROUS VIRUSES ALL THE TIME AND NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ACTIONS TO TAKE TO STOP THAT RISKY PRACTICE.

TED: GREAT INFORMATION.

AGAIN, MICHAEL WOROBEY, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE STUDY AND THE RESEARCH AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

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TED: TRAVEL WRITER ROGER NAYLOR PUBLISHED A BOOK OF BEAUTIFUL PHOTOGRAPHS OF LANDMARKS ACROSS ARIZONA, TITLED ARIZONA NATIONAL PARKS AND MONUMENTS, SCENIC AND CULTURAL TREASURES OF THE GRAND CANYON STATE.

WE WELCOME ROGER NAYLOR BACK TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> PLEASURE FOR ME AS ALWAYS.

>> THE LAST BOOK WAS ON STATE PARKS, NOW DOING -- >> NATIONAL PARKS.

TED: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NATIONAL PARK AND A NATIONAL MONUMENT?

>> A NATIONAL PARK REQUIRES AN ACT OF CONGRESS TO CREATE.

WE HAVE THREE FULL-FLEDGED NATIONAL PARKS, GRAND CANYON, SAGUARO AND PETRIFIED FOREST.

A NATIONAL MONUMENT CAN BE CREATED BY A PRESIDENTIAL DECREE.

WE HAVE 19 OF THOSE, MORE THAN ANY OTHER STATE.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE OTHER NATIONAL PARK UNITS SUCH AS NATIONAL HISTORIC TRAILS, NATIONAL HISTORIC SITES, NATIONAL HERITAGE AREAS, NATIONAL RECREATION AREAS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

I TELL YOU HOW TO DISTINGUISH ALL OF THEM IN THE BOOK.

WE HAVE 34 NATIONAL UNITS AND I THINK PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MANY THERE ARE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO PUT OUT THIS VOLUME TO HELP THEM DISCOVER NOT ONLY THE BIG FAVORITES BUT SOME OF THE LITTLE GUYS WAY OUT THERE.

TED: LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PLACES, CANYON DE CHELLY IS IN YOUR BOOK, TALK TO US ABOUT THIS BEAUTIFUL, WONDERFUL PLACE.

>> I LOVE CANYON DE CHELLY, IT COMBINES THE TWIN THEMES OF THE BOOK, SCENIC WONDERS AND CULTURAL TREASURES, THIS IS A VIEW OF SPIDER ROCK IN CANYON DE CHELLY IN THE SOUTH RIM OVERLOOK, AN 800 FOOT COLUMN RISING FROM THE CANYON FLOOR, SO YOU GET -- EVEN IF YOU HAVE MOBILE IDISSUES OR LIMITED TIME, IT'S A WONDERFUL PARK TO VISIT, YOU HAVE NORTH RIM DRIVE, SOUTH RIM DRIVE.

YOU CAN LOOK AT IT LIKE THAT.

TAKE A NAVAJO LED TOUR INTO THE INNER CANYON AND EXPERIENCE THAT UPCLOSE.

TED: SOUNDS WONDERFUL.

LAKE MEAD NATIONAL RECREATION AREA.

>> THIS IS OUR MOST POPULAR NATIONAL PARK.

A MILLION MORE VISITORS THAN THE GRAND CANYON RECEIVED LAST YEAR.

IT KIND OF -- WE SHARE IT WITH NEVADA.

THIS IS THE LAKE MOHAVE PORTION, MY FAVORITE, SOUTH OF HOOVER DAM, THE CANYON, WATER IS SHALLOWER, THE CANYON WALLS RISE HIGHER.

PERFECT FOR HIKING, KAYAKING, FISHING, GREAT BEACHES, LOT OF WILDLIFE.

AS DESERT PEOPLE, WE'RE DRAWN TO WATER, ANY TIME WE CAN SPEND TIME WITH WATER.

TED: I HEARD OF CANYON DE CHELLY AND MOHAVE, NEVER HEARD OF THIS ONE?

>> I DISCOVERED IT WHEN I WAS VERY YOUNG, JUST A KID.

I READ SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT MADE IT SEEM LIKE THE LONELIEST PLACE ON THE PLANET.

I GOTTA GO THERE.

IT'S TUCKED AWAY IN THE ARIZONA STRIP, THE PORTION OF THE STATE THAT'S CUT OFF BY THE COLORADO RIVER.

SO WAY UP NORTH.

VERY DEEP IN THE STATE.

I THINK IT'S THE MOST REMOTE VIA PAVED ROAD, IT'S AN OLD MORMON FORT, JUST A 40 ACRE PARK AND TELLS SUCH A DETAILED RICH STORY WITH THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, MORMON HISTORY, PAIUTE HISTORY, COWBOY HISTORY, FASCINATING, IT MADE ME THINK OF THE LARGE PARKS AND THE SMALL PARKS AND HOW FASCINATING THEY WERE.

TED: SAGUARO NATIONAL MONUMENT, WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE.

YOU COULD JUST STOP ANYWHERE, TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

>> IT IS, AND SAGUARO NATIONAL PARK, THIS ONE IS OF OUR THREE BIG ONES, AND YEAH, THIS IS A GREAT PLACE FOR SPRING WILD FLOWERS, THE SEDERO, ESPERANZA TRAIL, COUPLE YEARS AGO WITH ONE OF OUR BEAUTIFUL SUPERBLOOM YEARS, AND THERE'S A WONDERFUL NETWORK OF TRAILS, TWO UNITS OF THE PARK THEY BRACKET TUCSON IN THE EAST AND WEST UNIT.

THE EASTERN UNIT HAS HIGHER ELEVATION, WESTERN UNIT A DENSER GROVE OF SAGUAROS IF YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME, THAT'S THE BETTER ONE.

BOTH HAVE SCENIC ROADS, WONDERFUL HIKING TRAILS AND A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE UPCLOSE THE ICONIC DESERT PLANT, OUR SYMBOL.

TED: HERE'S ANOTHER ONE I HAVEN'T HEARD OF.

WHITE POCKET, I HAVE HEARD OF VERMILION CLIFFS, BUT HAVEN'T HEARD OF WHITE POCKET.

>> THIS IS A BACKROAD EXPERIENCE, ANOTHER ONE TEEP IN THE ARIZONA STRIP, WITH YOU THE VERMILION CLIFFS NATIONAL MONUMENT CONTAINS "NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC" FEATURES, INCLUDING THE WAVE.

WAVE IS A LEGENDARY FEATURE, EVERYBODY TRIES TO GET A PERMIT, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, I OFFER AS AN ALTERNATIVE WHITE POCKET.

THIS IS VERY MASSIVE FORMATION.

THIS IS JUST A SMALL PART OF IT HERE.

GOES ON AND ON BUT HAS THE SAME SWIRLS OF SANDSTONE AND SWOOPS AND THE COLORS AND IT'S REALLY INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC.

IT DOES REQUIRE FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE TO GET BACK THERE.

I GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION IN THE BOOK, IF YOU DON'T HAVE FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, THEY OFFER-DAY TOURS FROM PAGE, ARIZONA, SO YOU CAN GET THERE ON YOUR OWN.

TED: ROGER, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> MY PLEASURE.

TED: GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.