>> THE HOUSE MADE IT CLEAR THEY WITHIN ON BOARD AND AT THAT POINT, IT MADE IT AN ACADEMIC MATTER AND WHY STICK YOUR NECK OUT THAT WILL NOT PROCEED ANYWAY.

IT CREATES A LOT OF PRESSURE POINTS.

>> Ted: APPARENTLY, THEY GOT CROSS-WISE WITH KYRSTEN SINEMA WITH REPUBLICANS THAT WOULD DO X AND DID Y.

HERE IS WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY TO REPUBLICANS, SPECIFICALLY THOSE THAT LOOK FOR, I DON'T KNOW, REMOTE CHUTES AND WAYS TO MAKE THEIR MESSAGE HEARD.

>> SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEND THE BORDER CRISIS FOR YOUR OWN POLITICAL AGENDAS, GO RIGHT AHEAD.

IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO USE THE SOUTHERN BORDER AS A BACKDROP FOR YOUR POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, THAT'S FINE.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

BUT I HAVE A CLEAR MESSAGE FOR ANYONE USING THE SOUTHERN BORDER FOR STAGED POLITICAL EVENTS.

DON'T COME TO ARIZONA.

TANG YOUR POLITICALTAKE YOUR POLITICAL THEATER TO TEXAS.

>> Ted: THAT'S TOUGH STUFF.

>> IT'S NOTABLE THE WAY SHE'S SPEAKING AND ANY JOURNALIST KNOWS THAT TYPICALLY WHEN YOU ASK HER TO COMMENT, YOU GET VERY LITTLE AND PREFERS TO LET THAT TAKE PLACE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

THE FACT SHE'S BRINGING IT OUT SHOWS HOW FRUSTRATED WITH THE REACTION.

>> Ted: SHE HAD BACK AND FORTH WITH LINDSEY GRAHAM, AS WELL AND SEEMS GENUINELY PEEVED.

>> I WONDER IF THIS IS HER DEVICE PIECE TO THE SENATE TO SPEAK OUT SO VOCIFEROUSLY.

IT'S UNUSUAL SHE DOES THAT.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT RON?

WAS THERE ANY MESSAGING HERE?

>> YOU'RE SEEING GENUINE DISAPPOINTMENT INTO HER BANDWIDTH HAD GONE INTO THIS BILL AND IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

HER CAMPAIGN PROSPECTS ARE MAYBE NOT HINGING ON THIS, BUT IT WAS REALLY HER LAST BEST CHANCE TO MAKE THE CASE IF SHE WANTED TO THAT, HEY, THIS SOMEWHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE.

I CAN UNTIE THE KNOT AND THIS PART FELL AROUND HER.

>> YOU CAN EASILY SEE A CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCEMENT SPUN OFF OF A BILL LIKE THIS SIGNED INTO LAW.

>> Ted: ONE WAY TO LAUNCH HER CAMPAIGN.

>> OH, YEAH.

GETTING SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THE BORDER HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR, WHAT, TWO DECADES, ESPECIALLY SINCE GEORGE W. BUSH WAS WITH THE GANG OF 12 OR EIGHT.

>> Ted: I THINK IT'S A GANG OF EIGHT.

SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

DOES IT CLOSE THE CURTAIN?

>> IT CLOSES THE ISSUE ON THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

EVERYONE WILL GO TO THE MARKET WITH WHERE THINGS STAND AT THIS POINT.

FOR KYRSTEN SINEMA AND HER REELECTION PROSPECTS, WE DON'T KNOW.

SHE HAS UNTIL APRIL TO SUBMIT 42,000 SIGNATURES TO QUALIFY FOR THE BALLOT AND THAT PROCESS HAS NOT EVEN STARTED WITH THIS DISAPPOINTMENT AND WITH HER WORDS, IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT, I THINK, SHE WAS QUITE UPSET WITH HER COLLEAGUES.

IN A WAY THAT I THINK SUGGESTED HER APPROACH, HER FUNDAMENTALLAL THEORY OF HOW THE SENATE SHOULD OPERATE HAD FALLEN APART AROUND HER.

>> Ted: HER POLITICAL FUTURE, WAYNE, WHAT DO YOU SEE?

>> IT SHOWS HOW DIFFICULT TO RUN WITHOUT A APARTMENT.

WITHOUT A PARTY.

THEY'RE NOT HAPPY FOR A SLEW OF REASONS GOING BACK YEARS AND SHOWS THAT REPUBLICANS REALLY AREN'T ON HER SIDE, EITHER AND OUTSIDE OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE REPUBLICAN CLASS HERE IN ARIZONA, I DON'T KNOW WHO HER ALLIES ARE OR WHERE SHE'LL PULL ENOUGH VOTES FROM.

>> Ted: WHAT DID YOU THINK, MARY JO?

>> IT'S HARD TO PROG SEE BUT IF THERE'S EVEN PETITIONS ON THE STREET.

>> Ted: WOULD NO FILIBUSTER HAVE RESURRECTED THIS BILL OR SOME IRONY HERE THAT A FILIBUSTER SHUT THIS DOWN?

>> IT WAS NOTABLE, THAT THIS HAD SOME SUPPORT BUT NOT ENOUGH, ULTIMATELY.

SHE JUST RAN OUT OF ALLIES ON THE RIGHT AND THIS HAS BEEN HER CLAIM TO FAME, SHE'S ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE ON BOARD AND THEY WEREN'T THERE WHEN SHE NEEDED THEM THE MOST.

>> Ted: RUBEN GALLEGO SAID SHE WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR KARI LAKE AND CALLED IT 300 PAGES OF GARBAGE AND WILL THAT GET LOST IN THE MIDST?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT IN KARI LAKE'S CASE, THIS IS ONE OF THE CENTRAL ARGUMENTS FOR THE NEED FOR A REPUBLICAN IN THE SENATE, FOR HER, THAT THIS ISSUE IS UNRESOLVED AND LEAVE IT TO ME AND PRESIDENT TRUMP.

FOR >> Ted: WAYNE, LESS START WITH YOU, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND WHO WAS REPRESENTATIVE LYDIA HERNANDEZ AND WHY DOES SHE CLAIM SHE WAS HELD HOSTAGE BY FELLOW DEMOCRATS?

>> A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AT THE ARIZONA LEGISLATURE AND SHE HAS MORE CONSERVATIVE VIEWS ON TOPICS AND ANTIABORTION AND THAT ALIENATES HER AND COCHAIR OF THE HISPANIC CAUCUS DOWN THERE.

SHE CLAIMED THAT SHE'S JUST HAD A TOUGH GO OF IT WITH HER FELLOW MEMBERS OF THAT CAUCUS.

SOME YOUNGER MEMBERS, MORE PROGRESSIVE MEMBERS.

THAT BLEW UP IN WHICH THEY SHE SHE CLAIMS THEY KIDNAPPED HER AND DPS DECLINED TO PURSUE CRIMINAL CHARGES.

>> I DON'T THINK SHE WAS WRAPPED UP IN THE CARPET?

>> NO, ONE STOOD AT THE DOOR AND THE OTHER TWO AT HER SIDES AND THE LEGISLATURE LOOKED INTO IT SAYING WE FELT SHE WAS IN DANGER, BUT THEY DIDN'T FIND ENOUGH FACTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

>> Ted: SOUNDS LIKE KARI LAKE'S ATTORNEYS WERE REPRESENTING HER BECAUSE SHE LEAVES THIS HAPPENED.

NOW SHE WANTS TWO HOUSE MEMBERS AND ONE SENATOR, THE ETHICS TO LOOK AT THEM AND WANTS THEM BOOTED.

WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE, MARY JO?

>> IT'S AN INTRA-PARTY WAR FARE AND THE COMMUNITY, IN A WAY HAS BEEN WEAPONNIZED.

WE'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT ETHIC'S HEARINGS AND CASES WITH THIS LEGISLATURE.

WHETHER THIS WILL GET UP TO CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMITTEE IS UNCLEAR.

BUT THEY'RE SIDE SHOWS AND IT TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW MUCH CORKS COMITY THERE IS.

IS.

.

>> Ted: IT SHOWS DEMOCRATS HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF PROBLEMS AND ONE OF THE SAME DOWN THERE, HUH?

>> THE FAULT LINES WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN CONGRESS AND HERE AT THE LEGISLATURE, WE'VE SEEN SOME TENSION FROM THE THE FOLKS WHO ARE MORE BUSINESS ORIENTEDDED.

FOR DEMOCRATS, IT'S BEEN EASY TO TAPER OVER THEIR OWN DIFFERENCES JUST IN RESISTANCE TO THAT SORT OF THING.

THE DEMOCRATIC RANKS GROW AND YOU SEE A PICTURE OF WHAT THE NUANCES WITHIN THE LEFT ARE AND IT INCLUDES AN EPISODE LIKE THIS.

>> Ted: COULD THIS BE A GENERATIONAL THING, WAYNE?

SHE MENTIONED AGEISM, BULLYING AND BIGOTRY.

>> SOME OTHER YOUNGER LAWMAKERS ARE NEWLY ELECTED, MUCH MORE PROGRESSIVE AND SHE HAS ACCUSED THEM OF MAKING COMMENTS THAT ARE OUTRAGEOUS AND IT'S HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE HOW MUCH IS PROJECTION AND HOW MUCH IS ACTUAL COMMENTS THEY'VE MADE.

IT GOES BACK TO PROVE THAT LAWMAKERS, THEY'RE JUST LIKE US, YOU KNOW.

[LAUGHTER] >> EVERY DEMOCRAT DOESN'T BELIEVE THE SAME THING AND EVERY REPUBLICAN DOESN'T BELIEVE THE SAME THING AND EVERYBODY HAS SQUABBLES AND BEEFS.

>> Ted: MARY JO, WE ASKED WHO REPRESENTATIVE LYDIA HERNANDEZ WAS AND WHO IS ANA TOBOR?

>> SHE'S ANNOUNCED SHE WILL NOT SEEK ANOTHER TERM AND ACTUALLY, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY SHE'S LEAVING, BUT IT WILL CREATE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER VACANCIES THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THE COMMISSION, AS WELL.

>> Ted: SHE SAID THE CURRENT CORPORATION COMMISSION NEEDS A SHAKEUP, THAT'S A QUOTE AND HER RESIGNATION IS NEEDED FOR RENEWED FOCUS TO SERVING THE PEOPLE OF OUR STATE.

WHAT IS SHE SAYING HERE?

>> SHE'S LOOKING FOR ANOTHER OFFICE, MAYBE.

SHE WAS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE.

THERE'S PROBABLY GREENER PASTURES THAT AREN'T AS TAXING THAT THE MINORITY VOICE LITERALLY 4-1 ON THE COMMISSION.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS, WAYNE?

>> THE GOVERNOR APPOINTED HER TO THE BOARD OF EDUCATION POST.

I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC POSITION.

BUT YEAH, I COVER THE CORPORATION COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT AND IT CAN BE TIRING TO GET THE ONE NO-VOTE ON EVERYTHING.

AFTER THE LAST ELECTION, WHICH APPOINTED TWO PRO UTILITY REPUBLICANS TO SOLIDIFY THAT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, SHE HAS BEEN KIND OF THE LONE WOLF ON A LOT OF VOTES INCLUDING THE MOST RECENT ONE TO CLAW BACK THE STATE'S RENEWABLE ENERGY STANDARDS.

>> Ted: WE HAVE TWO OR THREE SEATS THAT ARE OPEN SEATS.

>> THE CHAIRMAN, REPUBLICAN JIM O'CONNOR SAYS HE WON'T SEEK REELECTION AND FORMER CHAIR PETERSON, HER SEAT IS UP.

SHE'S LOOKING FOR OTHER DEMOCRATS TO TAKE UP THE FIGHT.

SHE'S BEEN TAKING PUNCHES FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND SOMEONE ELSE'S TURN.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS RON?

IT SEEMS IT GOES IN WAVES AS TO THE ACTIVIST AND PASSTIVE NATURE AND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?

.

>> JUST GIVEN THE BACKGROUND, MY GUESS IS THAT SHE DOES SEE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE MORE INVITING OR AT LEAST PROVIDE A SPACE WHERE SHE CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE.

SHE HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE PUBLIC POLICY AND PUBLIC INTEREST REALM, AS WELL.

SO I THINK JUST GIVEN THAT, SHE HAS TO FEEL AS WAYNE WAS NOTING, THAT THIS IS JUST AN EXERCISE IN FRUSTRATION AND A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE AND MOVE ON.

>> Ted: HOW HIGH PROFILE DO YOU THINK THERE IS?

HOW HIGH PROFILE WILL THAT BE, RELATIVELY SPEAKING FOR THE CORPORATION?

>> THERE'S A BIG SHADOW BY THE PROVISIONAL RACE AND SENATE RACE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE BANDWIDTH THAT LEAVES FURTHER.

FURTHERING COMMISSION ON THE BALLOT AND RENEWABLE ENERGY STANDARDS OR CONTROL, REGULATION OF WATER PROVIDERS.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS PEOPLE GOING TO THE EXTENT IT DOES WHEN THE ISSUES THAT COME UP IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU SEE HERE, WAYNE?

>> IT'S SO INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT AND DOES FALL UNDER THE RADAR AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ELECTRIC BILL AND YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, THEN MAYBE YOU PAY MORE ATTENTION TO IN COMMISSION AND BASE ON HISTORY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ATTENTION IT WILL GET.

>> Ted: MARY JO, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH A BILL THAT SUPPOSEDLY GOES AFTER BAD DOCTORS AND MAKES SURE BAD DOCTORS OR ACTIVITIES, ACTIONS ARE SEEN IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM?

A LAWMAKER IS BLOCKING THIS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING?

>> A BILL INTRODUCED BY PATTY CONRARAS AND SHE'S A DEMOCRATIC, A REPUBLICAN MAJORITY LEGISLATURE.

AND THE BILL WOULD THE REPORTS OF BAD BEHAVIORS BY DOCTORS AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WOULD GO BACK 25 YEARS.

IT'S A CONSUMER FRIENDLY LEGISLATION THAT WOULD LET YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOUR PROVIDER, SOMEONE YOU WANT TO TRUST WITH AND REPORTING IT WAS DONE BY MY COLLEAGUE, ANDREW FORD, AND DOCTORED HAD SOME ROUGH STUFF IN THEIR BACKGROUNDS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY TREATED PATIENTS.

AND A LOT OF THAT DOESN'T BECOME PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE CURRENTLY, THESE ARE ONLY -- THE ONLY THING THEY PUT UP GOES BACK FIVE YEARS.

IT'S OLDER AND THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS.

SHE PICKS IT UP AND RUNS A BILL AND IT CAN'T GET OUT OF THE COMMITTEE IT WAS ASSIGNED TO BECAUSE OF THE CHAIRMAN, LAUREN HENTRIX, A REPUBLICAN FOR MESA, DOESN'T SEE IT WILL FIX ANYTHING.

>> Ted: ANDREW FORD, HE ACTUALLY SAID YOU'RE OUT OF THE HEARING, GOODBYE, ADIOS.

WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> I THINK THE ANTAGANISM BETWEEN THOSE WHO FEEL THAT THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT ARE MAYBE OVERBLOWN, THERE'S HOSTILITY AND A DISTRUST OF MEDIA GENERALLY, I THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN ANOTHER CAPITAL OF THAT.

BUT THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC ALONG WITH OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS ARE NOT TREATED AS, YOU KNOW, OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH.

>> Ted: DO WE SEE THAT OFTEN, COMMITTEE CHAIRS SAYING, REPORTER, OUT?

ENGLISH BEEN KNOWN >> IT'S BEEN KNOWN TO HAPPEN AND COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE BEEN LOCKED OUT GENERALLY.

BUT I SURPRISED WHEN I READ THIS STORY BECAUSE I HAD THE VERY FRIENDLY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BILLS HE RAN.

HE JUST HAD MULTIPLE BILLS RUN THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH 100% BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.

SO THE FACT HE'S ONE OF THE FOLKS AT THE CENTER OF THIS CONTROVERSY NOW ACTUALLY IS SURPRISING.

>> IN FAIRNESS, HE HAD BEEN ASKED THIS QUESTION NUMEROUS TIMES BEFORE THE REPORTER TALKED TO HIM IN-PERSON IN A HEARING ROOM AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS.

AND ALSO, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS HERE.

I MEAN, THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR AND HAVE WE SEEN ANY BILL SPONSORED BY DEMOCRATS ADVANCING FAR IN THE LEGISLATURE?

>> Ted: DO YOU EVER SEE THAT?

>> OCCASIONALOCCASIONALLY, BUT USUALLY YOU GET A REPUBLICAN SPONSOR.

>> Ted: I DON'T KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME, THOUGH, THAT IF THE REPORTER IS SIMPLY SAYING WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS AND YOU ARE NOT EXPLAINING WHY YOU ARE DOING THIS, THAT SEEMS SOMEWHAT LEGITIMATE.

>> YEAH, I MEAN THAT IS WHAT STRIKES US AS THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF ACCOUNTABILITY REPORTING, THAT WE WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC OFFICIALS EXPLAIN THEMSELVES ESPECIALLY ON A BILL THAT HAS A LOT OF INTEREST AND THERE WOULD PRESUMABLY BE A SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INTEREST COMPONENT TO IT.

IT DOESN'T SEEM OUT OF BOUNDS TO ME, BUT EVIDENTLY, IT WAS MORE THAN WHAT THE CHAIR WANTED.

>> Ted: AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY HE'S BLOCKING THIS, DO WE?

>> NOT OTHER THAN THE BRIEF REMARK ABOUT NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM AND LOOKING AT THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE BILL, IT WOULD ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THEY'RE SEEKING TO ADDRESS, WHICH IS BY PUTTING MORE INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.

>> Ted: WHEN A CHAIR BLOCKS IT, GOOD LUCK, FELLOW.

>> IT WOULD BE A HOSTILE MOVE TO MOVE THAT ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S BILL AND I DOUBT THAT THE HOUSE SPEAKER WOULD WANT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN TO ANY OF HIS REPUBLICAN MEMBERS.

>> Ted: BEFORE WE GO, SOMETHING JUST FLASHED INTO MY MIND ABOUT KYRSTEN SINEMA, BECAUSE SHE DID MAKE NATIONAL HEADLINES THIS WEEK.

IF SHE DOESN'T RUN AND THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION AND BIDEN WINS AND THE ADMINISTRATION GOES ON, IS SHE UP FOR ANYTHING AS FAR AS CABINET, AS FAR AS AGENCY HEADS?

I MEAN, DOES SHE HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO?

IN THE CORPORATE WORLD, SHE'LL DO OK, BUT DOES SHE HAVE A PLACE IN GOVERNMENT IN, SAY, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION?

>> AT THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY I DOUBT IT JUST BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH ANYBODY WANTS TO ASSOCIATE WITH HER AT THIS POINT.

BUT BY NEXT YEAR, THING MAY LOOK DIFFERENT.

SHE BRINGS EXPERIENCE IN THE POLICY ARENA AND SHE'S A THOUGHTFUL PERSON ON A LOT OF FRONTS AND HER STATUS WITH DEMOCRATS AT THE MOMENT IS LOW AND HARD TO SEE THAT RECOVERING ANYTIME QUICKLY.

>> Ted: WHAT DO YOU THINK, WAYNE?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE'D WANT THAT JOB.

[LAUGHTER] >> Ted: BUT SHE MIGHT NEED A JOB OF SOME KIND AND CORPORATE WORLD WILL COME COMING.

>> I DON'T THINK SHE'LL BE HARD UP FOR OPPORTUNITIES BUT IF SHE DOESN'T SEEK ELECTION OB OR REELECTED, I SEE IT IN THE PRIVATE SPACE.

>> Ted: WE COULD ASK THAT ABOUT GALL OF LEGO.

>> I MEAN, HE'S LEAVING A SAFE SPEED FOR THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, TAKING A GAMBLE ON THE U.S. SENATE.

AND LAKE IS RUNNING FOR GOVERNING, TOO.

>> Ted: ISN'T SHE THE GOVERNOR?

NO, SHE IS NOT.

[ Laughter ] >> THERE ARE POWERFUL PEOPLE BACK EAST TO KEEP HER POLITICAL FUTURE FROM CONTINUING.

>> Ted: PANEL, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.