>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY, RACHEL MITCHELL JOINS US TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF RETAIL THEFT.

>>> DETAILS ON A $1.8 BILLION LAWSUIT THAT COULD SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE THE HOME-BUYING PROCESS.

>>> AND WE'LL CHECK OUT A NEW ACOUSTIC GUITAR, MANDOLIN AT THE INSTRUMENT MUSEUM.

THOSE STORIES AND MORE ARE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> Ted: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO "ARIZONA HORIZON."

I'M TED SIMONS.

RAY ANDERSON TODAY RESIGNED AS ATHLETIC DIRECTOR.

THIS COMES WITH THREE YEARS LEFT ON A CONTRACT EXTENSION IN 2021.

HE TOOK OVER THE ATHLETICS DEPARTMENT NINE YEARS AGO AND LEAD SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION ACROSS THE SPORTS AND THE HIRING OF FORMER CLIMATE, HERM EDWARDS, AND SUBSEQUENT ALLEGATIONS OF EDWARD AND THE STAFF VIOLATING NCAA RECRUITING LEVELS LEAD TO CALLS FOR ANDERSON TO BE FIRED, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT THE ATHLETICS OVER TO THE BIG 12 CONFERENCE.

ANDERSON WILL REMAIN AT ASU IN A TEACHING CAPACITY.

JIM RUND WILL SERVE AS INTERIM AD.

>>> THE U.S. DEFENSE DEPARTMENT CONFIRMING A A HELICOPTER CRASH HELICOPTER CRASH.

HE WAS 27 AND HIGHLY DECORATED WITH MULTIPLE DEPLOYMENTS.

HE AND THE OTHER FOUR DIED IN THE EASTERN MEDITERRANEAN AND THE CAUSE OF THE CRASH IS UNDER INVESTIGATION AND THAT AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO INFORMATION OF HOSTILE ACTIVITY INVOLVED.

>>> A NEW CODE OF CONTACT FOUR U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICES.

THE HIGH COURT MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE ETHIC'S CODE CUSTOMS AFTER REPORTS OF JUSTICES INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF UNDISCLOSED PROPERTY DEALS AND GIFTS THAT RAISED CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND IT INVOLVES JUSTICE THOMAS TO DISCLOSE TRAVEL AND OTHER FINANCIAL TIES WITH WEALTHY, CONSERVATIVE DONORS.

IT LAID OUT A BROAD CODE OF ETHICS AND DID NOT MAKE CLEAR HOW THE NEW CODE WILL BE ENFORCED.

>>> NEW STUDY SHOWS THE WEIGHT LOSS DRUG, WEGOVY REDUCES HEART ATTACK, STROKE OR OTHER HEART-RELATED DEATH BY 20% IN PEOPLE WITH CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE.

THEY FOUND THEY WERE LESS LIKELY TO DEVELOP DIABETES, AND REDUCED THEIR WEIGHT CIRCUMFERENCE AND BETTER BLOOD PRESSURE READINGS.

RESEARCHERS ARE NOT SURE THAT THE DRUG HAVING THESE EFFECTS OR THE BENEFIT FROM PEOPLE ON THE DRUG LOSING WEIGHT.

>>> A LIFE EXPECTANCY GAP DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC.

THEY REPORT WOMEN CAN EXPECT TO LIVE SIX YEARS LONGER THAN MEN DUE TO DIFFERENCES IN DEATHS FROM COVID AND DRUG OVERDOSES.

OVERALL, LIFE EXPECTANCY IN THE U.S. FELL 2.5 YEARS SINCE THE START OF THE PANDEMIC WITH LIFE EXPECTANCY AT 79.3 YEARS FOR WOMEN AND 73.5 FOR MEN.

>>> RETAIL THEFT HAS BEEN ON THE INCREASE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND IT'S A MAJOR INCREASE.

THE SAME THING HAPPENING IN THE PHOENIX AREA.

IF NOT, WHY NOT, AND IF SO, WHAT'S DONE ABOUT IT?

WE WELCOME MARICOPA COUNTY ATTORNEY RACHEL MITCHELL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

>> Ted: YOU BET.

RETAIN THEFT, MARICOPA COUNTY, HOW BIG IS THIS?

>> IT'S A BIG ISSUE EVERYWHERE AND HITTING LOS ANGELOS, CHICAGO AND IT'S STILL HITTING HERE BUT NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE.

>> Ted: ARE YOU SEEING TRENDS?

MAYBE NOT TO THE SAME DEGREE BUT ARE YOU SEEING TRENDS?

>> PEOPLE ARE COMING OVER FROM OTHER STATES, CALIFORNIA, NEW MEXICO AND NEVADA TO TAKE DAY TRIPS HERE TO COMMIT ACTS OF ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT.

>> Ted: I WAS GOING TO GET TO THE ORGANIZATION ASPECT, BUT ARE WE DEALING WITH SMASH-AND-GRAB AND WHAT ARE YOU SEEING OUT THERE?

>> WE'RE SEEING LARGELY PEOPLE WHO GO IN AND JUST GRAB A LOT OF STUFF AND THEN RUN OUT WITH IT.

FOR EXAMPLE, MY OFFICE JUST INDICTED TWO WOMEN WHO CAME OVER FROM CALIFORNIA FOR THE DAY AND THEY HIT SIX DIFFERENT CITIES IN A ONE-DAY PERIOD AND WE INDICTED ONE FOR 12 COUNTS AND THE OTHER FOR TEN COUNTS OF ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT.

>> Ted: THERE'S THAT WORD "ORGANIZED."

HOW IS THIS ORGANIZED?

>> PEOPLE NOT STEALING GOODS TO MEET THEIR NEEDS, LIKE A LOAF OF BREAD, BUT VASTS OF THINGS THEY CAN RESELL.

THIS INCLUDES COSMETICS, DETERGENT, BABY FORMULA, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

>> Ted: WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS STUFF WHEN IT IS STOLEN, WHEN IT'S TAKEN OFF THE SHELVES?

ARE BEING BUYS THESE THINGS AND IS A BLACK MARKET GOING, COINCIDING WITH THAT GROWTH?

>> THEY TAKE THEM TO FENCES AND PUT OFF ON, OFTENTIMES, THE INTERNET FOR RETAIL AND GOING BACK INTO FUELING AND FUNDING THE ADDITIONAL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

SOMETIMES IT'S TIED SPOT DRUG TRADE AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT.

IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF PEOPLE SELLING TO GET EXTRA MONEY.

>> Ted: THE ORGANIZATIONAL ASPECT, VIRAL VIDEOS FROM SANFRANCISCO, LOS ANGELOS AND A CROWD OF PEOPLE THEY JUST SWARM INTO A STORE AND TAKE EVERYTHING WITHIN REACH AND THEY RUN OUT.

WE HAVEN'T HIT THAT LEVEL YET, HAVE WE?

>> NONO, THE CLOSEST WAS SCOTTSDALE FASHION SQUARE.

BUT THOSE PEOPLE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND AND PROSECUTED.

>> Ted: WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM OTHER CITIES?

ARE THOSE PEOPLE FOUND AND PROSECUTED?

>> WE'RE SEEING DISTRICT ATTORNEYS, ARE EQUIVALENT OF A COUNTY ATTORNEY, MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PROSECUTE BELOW A CERTAIN DOLLAR VALUE AND THAT'S JUST BROUGHT ON PEOPLE'S IDEAS, YOU KNOW, I'LL STEAL UP TO THAT AMOUNT.

AND SO, WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR HERE IN MARICOPA COUNTY, THAT'S NOT THE RULE HERE.

IF YOU COME HERE, WE'LL PROSECUTE YOU, EVEN IF IT'S BELOW A THOUSAND DOLLARS.

>> Ted: THERE WAS A VIRAL VIDEO, I THINK IT WAS IN SCOTTSDALE AND A JEWELRY STORE WAS ROBBED.

THE INITIAL BOOKS, WHAT WAS THE INITIAL BOOKING ON THAT IF YOU CAN TELL US AND DID THAT CHANGE WITH MORE INFORMATION?

>> YES, INITIALLY, THE BOOKS WAS A LOWER LEVEL OF THEFT AND WENT UP AS THE POLICE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE VALUES OF THE ITEMS TAKEN.

SO IN ARIZONA, THE SENTENCING IS DETERMINED BY THE VALUE OF THE ITEMS STOLEN.

AND SO, WHEN THEY FOUND OUT HOW MUCH THAT JEWELRY WAS WORTH, THEY ACTUALLY -- WE WERE ABLE TO UP THAT TO A CLASS TWO FELONY, WHICH IS THE SECOND HIGHEST FELONY IN ARIZONA.

>> Ted: INDEED, THE INITIAL BOOKING WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.

BUT IS RETAIL THEFT TAKEN SERIOUSLY AND HAS IT BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY ENOUGH?

>> I THINK IT'S BEEN TAKEN SERIOUSLY ENOUGH IN MARICOPA COUNTY.

WE, LIKE OTHER STATES IN THE NATION, ARE SEEING FEWER COPS ON THE STREETS AND THERE'S A SLOWER RESPONSE TIME, BUT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT EQUATE THAT TO MEAN THEY WOULD NOT INVESTIGATE AND WE WILL NOT PROSECUTE.

WE WILL PROSECUTE THESE TYPES OF OFFENCES.

>> Ted: ARE POLICE SHOWING UP IN TIME AND WHAT IS THE POLICE RESPONSE?

>> THEY MAY OR MAY NOT GET THERE IN TIME TO STOP THE PERSON FROM LEAVING, BUT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY WITH VIDEOTAPE AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WRITE DOWN THE PEOPLE'S DESCRIPTION OR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, WE CAN FOLLOW UP AND PUT THOSE CASES TOGETHER AND PROSECUTE THEM.

THAT'S WHY I HAVE AN ORGANIZED RETAIL THEFT TASK FORCE IN MY OFFICE TO COORDINATE NOT ONLY WHEN INDIVIDUAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, BUT THESE PEOPLE HIT DIFFERENT CITIES IN A SINGLE DAY TO GET THE ACCUMULATED EFFECT OF THEIR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR, PUT IT TOGETHER AND PROSECUTE THEM FOR THE FELONIES THAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE COMMITTING.

>> Ted: ARE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTED AROUND MARICOPA COUNTY, ARE THEY COOPERATING?

DO THEY UNDERSTAND THIS AND HAVE THE SAME INTEREST IN THIS YOU DO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY SEE THE DAMAGE THIS IS DOING TO COMMUNITIES.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THESE BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU HAVE AN EMPTY BUILDING WHICH BRINGS BLIGHT, YOU LOSE JOBS AND YOU LOSE THE ABILITY OF SERVICES.

THESE ARE HITTING, OFTENTIMES THE POORER PARTS OF TOWN FIRST.

PEOPLE MOST DEPENDENT ON TRANSPORTATION HAVE GO FURTHER TO GET WHAT THEY NEED.

>> Ted: WHAT CAN RETAILERS DO TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION?

THERE'S CRITICISM THAT SOME RETAILERS, THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON SECURITY AND THEY WOULD RATHER CLOUDY CLOSE DOWN THE STORE THAN LOSE PROFIT WITH SECURITY.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE WITH THAT 80?

I HAVE THINK RETAILERS HAVE OTHER WAYS TO HANDLE IT THAN THAT.

THEY CAN WORK WITH THEIR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THEY CAN MAKE THEIR STORE LESS ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THIS.

THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO REPORT THIS SO WE CAN ACT UPON IT.

A LOT OF TIMES, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND THE STORES RECOGNIZE THEM.

THESE ARE FREQUENT FLYERS TO THE STORES.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT IF THEY DON'T REPORT.

>> Ted: WHAT ARE THE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES FOR RETAILERS THAT TRY TO STOP THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY?

>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF THEIR ATTORNEYS WILL TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO INTERFERE WITH NEAR THEFTS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF THIS INDIVIDUAL IS ON A DRUG OR DRUGS OR PACKING A WEAPON.

AND SO THEY TELL THEM TO LET THEM DO THAT.

THAT'S ONE THING.

BUT THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN NOT REPORTING IT TO THE POLICE TO BE PROSECUTED LATER ON.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION AND THIS IS A POINT OF INTEREST FROM YOU AND YOU'RE EMPHASIZING IN.

BETWEEN RETAILERS AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND ATTORNEYS, COUNTY ATTORNEYS AND MARICOPA, IN AND AROUND ARIZONA, I ASKED THIS BEFORE, BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE IT HAS BECOME AN ISSUE.

IS THIS SOMETHING NEW?

>> I THINK THE MAGNITUDE IS NEW AND I THINK IT STARTED WHEN YOU HAD DISTRICT ATTORNEYS IN OTHER STATES BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE NOT PROSECUTING THIS.

AND THEY GAVE A FALSE NARRATIVE OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE THIS IS PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE AND WE SHOULDN'T PUNISH POVERTY.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO SURVIVE.

THIS IS PEOPLE WHO ARE RIPPING OFF GOODS SO THEY CAN SELL IT AND FUND OTHER CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.

>> Ted: THAT EXPERIMENT REGARDING, JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE UNDER A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

YOU THINK THAT'S GONE AWRY?

>> WE SHOWN BROKEN THEORY WORKS AND IF YOU TAKE CARE OF THE SMALL STUFF, LARGER STUFF HAPPENS.

LIKE IN LOS ANGELOS, THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE SMALL STUFF AND THE BIG STUFF HAS EXPLODED OVER.

>> Ted: RACHEL MITCHELL, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: AND UP NEXT, A LAWSUIT THAT COULD MEAN MAJOR CHANGES IN THE HOME-BUYING PROCESS.

>> THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION RELIEFS WERE ORDERED TO PAY $1.8 BILLION TO HOME SELLERS TO PAY EXCESSIVE FEES.

IT COULD MEAN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY.

WE'RE JOINEDI'M INTERESTED IN THIS.

AM I TOO INTERESTED IN THIS?

IS THIS AS BIG OF A DEAL AS I THINK IT IS?

>> IT'S A BIG DEAL.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO LIVE AND THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING TO BUY HOMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEPENDENT ON AGENTS IN ORDER TO HELP THEM FIND THOSE HOMES AND NEGOTIATE THE TRANSACTION, ET CETERA.

SO IT'S A BIG PART OF ONE THAT DRIVES OUR ECONOMY AND IT'S A BIG PART OF FINDING HOUSING IN MANY REGARDS.

>> Ted: IN THIS PARTICULAR SUIT, WHAT ARTIFICIAL INFLATION?

WHAT WAS THIS ABOUT?

>> I'M NOT SURE I WOULD SURE ARTIFICIALLY INFLATING THE PRICE OF HOMES.

I THINK THIS WAS A MATTER OF A NORMATIVE BEHAVIOR.

IF YOU GOOGLED "WHO PAYS THE BUYER'S AGENT COMMISSION FOR THE SALE OF A HOUSE," YOU'LL FIND A LONG LIST, OH, THE SELLER PAYS IT, THE SELLER PAYS IT.

SO THAT IS WHAT THE NORM WAS.

AND WHAT THE LAWSUIT WAS ABOUT IS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS HAS A SET OF RULES AND THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MULTIPLE LISTING SERVICE AND ONE OF THOSE RULES IS THE MANDATORY BUFFER OF COMPENSATION THAT THE SELLER SIGNS WHEN HE SIGNS A LISTING AGREEMENT AND THAT LISTING AGREEMENT IS NECESSARY TO PUT A HOUSE ON THE MLS.

AND WHAT IT DID, IT SAID, HEY, LISTEN, YOU'LL PAY THE BUYER'S BROKER.

AND SO IT WAS A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.

WHAT THE PLAINTIFF SAID WAS, HEY, WE'RE PAYING THE BUYER'S AGENT'S COMMISSION AND WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.

SO THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT THE FACT THEY WERE PAYING MORE OF THE PROCEEDS OUT THAN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

>> Ted: LIKE USUALLY 5% TO 6%, TRUE?

>> WELL, IN TOTAL, PAYING LIKE 3%.

>> Ted: 5 IN ONE AND 3 ON THE OTHER.

>> EXACTLY.

>> Ted: THE VERDICT NOW SUGGESTS WHAT, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY?

YOU CAN AGREE BEFOREHAND NOT TO PAY AND WILL REALTORS BE OUT OF BUSINESS?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE OUT OF BUSINESS.

THE INDUSTRY WILL ADJUST ITSELF.

FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY WAS EVER REQUIRED TO DO THIS, RIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS WHERE THE RUB IS.

YOU CAN ALWAYS NEGOTIATE YOUR COMMISSION.

AND I THINK THE REALTOR'S ASSOCIATION IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND PROTECT NOT ONLY HOME BUYERS, SO AS A CODE OF ETHICS, TRYING TO ORGANIZE THE PROFESSION AND MAKE SURE THAT BUYERS AND SELLERS ARE PROPERLY REPRESENTED, BUT PART OF THAT HAS BEEN THEY'RE MAKING SURE THEY'RE PROPERLY COMPENSATED.

BUT IT'S NOT NORMALLY MADE AWARE TO THE SELLER, THAT HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE AGENTS.

, THE BUYER'S AGENT.

YOU CAN NEGOTIATE.

SOME OF TRANSPARENCY WHICH IS A CONSEQUENCE.

>> Ted: WILL IT CHANGE COMMISSIONS?

>> THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF COMMISSION PAID, MAYBE.

WHETHER IT AFFECTS HOME PRICES, I DOUBT IT.

PART OF WHAT I THINK WILL HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT IS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOAN PRODUCT THAT ALLOWS THE BUYER TO WRAP A COMMISSION INTO THEIR MORTGAGE.

SO I THINK IF THAT CHANGES, THEN IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE ENTIRE DYNAMIC.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THE BUYER'S AGENT COMMISSION IS ALREADY WRAPPED SPOT MORTGAGE BECAUSEINTO THEMORTGAGE BECAUSE IT'S A PART OF THE SALE'S PRICE AND IT'S ABOUT ALLOCATION OF THE COSTS.

>> Ted: SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THIS AS A SIGN OF PHASING OUT OF REALLYFORS?

>> REALTORS?

I HOPE NOW.

>> I HOPE NOW.

THEY PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE.

THEY WILL HAVE TO THINK HOW THEY ARE COMPETENCE COMPENSATED.

IT WILL AFFECT THE BUYER'S SIDE.

HOWEVER, THIS ROW REMAINS SOMETHING SOMEBODY CAN OPT INTO.

I'M THE SELLER SAYING I'LL PAY THE BUYER'S AGENT AND THAT'S DIFFERENT.

I WANT TO ATTRACT MORE PEOPLE IN A COMPETITIVE MARKET TO MY HOUSE.

SO I'M WILLING WILLING TO DO THAT.

BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT AND A PURPOSEFUL CONSIDERATION ON THE PART OF THE SELLER THAN SIMPLY SIGNING THE LISTING AGREEMENT WHERE THIS IS EMBEDDED AND EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED NORMALLY.

>> Ted: IMPACT ON HOUSING MARKS AND PAM ON IMPACT ON HOUSING COSTS?

>> I THINK IT WILL CAUSE TURMOIL IN THE MARKET UNTIL THIS IS SORTED OUT.

THIS IS IN MISSOURI AND THERE WILL BE OTHER SUITS THAT ARE FILED AND I THINK THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS CONSIDERING FILING A CLASS ACTION SUIT ON A NATIONAL LEVEL.

>> Ted: WOW!

>> SO IT'S A BIG DEAL IN THE INTERIM, BUT I KNOW THAT THE ASSOCIATIONS ARE ALL THINKING ABOUT HOW TO COMBAT THIS.

>> Ted: BETTER TRANSPARENCY, I THINK IS THE KEY.

OUR GO TO GUY, THANK YOU.

>> MY PLEASURE ALWAYS, TED.

>> Ted: THE MUSICAL INSTRUMENT MUSEUM OPENED "ACOUSTIC AMERICA" WITH DOZENS OF GUITARS AND BANJOS AND MANDOLINS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I LOVE ACOUSTIC GUITARS AND BLUEGRASS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AREN'T WE?

>> YES.

ACOUSTIC AMERICA IS ABOUT BLUEGRASS AND BLUE'S AND FOLK MUSIC AND ALL OF THESE PILLARS OF AMERICAN MUSIC THAT HAS BEEN MADE AND PLAYED ON ACOUSTIC STRINGED INSTRUMENTS.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE 90 SOME STRINGED INSTRUMENTS AND A STORY TO TELL.

>> EVERY ONE DOES.

BANJOS, GUITARS AND UKULELES, HARPS AND ALL OF THESE INSTRUMENTS THAT MAY LOOK FAMILIAR TO PEOPLE, BUT EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE HAS A STORY THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH GREAT ARTISTS AND MAKERS AND TRULY SOME OF THE ALBUMS PEOPLE HAVE LISTENED TO FOR A LONG TIME.

>> Ted: WHO IS DAVID GRISTMAN AND WHY IS HE SO IMPORTANT?

>> HE'S A MANDOLIN PLAYER FOR 60 YEARS AND CREATED A STYLE OF MUSIC OF HIS OWN COMPOSITIONS AND FOLDED IN A LOT AND ALONG THE WAY, HE'S BEEN A COLLECTOR OF INSTRUMENTS SO HIS PERSONAL COLLECTION HAVE REAL GEMS AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO WORK WITH DAVID TO HAVE OVER 30 INSTRUMENTS FROM HIS PRIVATE COLLECTION ON DISPLAY.

>> Ted: GREAT OLD STUFF.

>> 50 YEARS ALMOST TO THE DAY.

"OLD AND IN THE WAY," THE GREAT BLUEGRASS BAND TOURING IN OCTOBER OF 1973 AND THEY'RE HITTING A MILESTONE.

>> Ted: WE'LL START WITH THE 1928 BANJO AND NOT JUST ANY BANJO.

EARL SCRUGGS.

>> HE OWNED THIS FOR 50 YEARS AND A DEGREE GRENADA CLASSIC AND THE MOST INFLUENTIAL BLUEGRASS BANJO PLAYER HAD THIS IN HIS LIFE FOR MANY DECADES.

>> Ted: THAT'S FANTASTIC!

IF YOU HAVE HIS BANJO, YOU "THE BANJO," DON'T YOU?

>> HIS NAME IS LITERALLY ENGRAVED.

>> Ted: A 1935 MARTIN D38 AND HERE IS MY QUESTION, THIS IS A GREAT PHOTO BECAUSE SHE WAS LEFT-HANDED AND PLAYED A RIGHT-HANDED GUITAR.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M HAPPY FOR YOUR EYE AS DETAILS, TOO.

ELIZABETH COTTON FLIPPED THIS STANDARD GUITAR AROUND AND BORROWED IT FOR "FREIGHT TRAIN" IN THE 1950'S AND WAS AN AN THEM.

THEM.

>> Ted: DID IT HELP MARTIN GUITARS?

>> SO MANY ICONIC PLAYERS HAVE PREFERRED MARTIN GUITARS OVER THE YEARS AND YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH ANY WITHOUT RUNNING INTO MARTIN GUITARS.

>> Ted: THE NEXT ONE IS A GUILD FROM MISSISSIPPI JOHN HURT AND MAJOR, MAJOR FACTOR AND PLAYER IN THE FOLK AND BLUE'S MOVEMENT.

>> HE PLAYED IN THE FIRST 20'S AND REDISCOVERED IN THE 1960'S.

REALLY HEAVY HISTORY BECAUSE OF JOHN HURTZ AND CURRENTLY OWNED BY JOHN OATS OF "JOHN AND OATS" AND PUR SIS PERSIST THROUGH GENERATIONS.

>> Ted: I DON'T THINK OF MISSISSIPPI JOHN HERTZ AND JOHN OATS.

>> JOHN OAT IS A FAN OF JOHN HERTZ.

>> Ted: NEXT IS A 1925 GIBSON, A MAN DOE LYNN MANDOLIN AND THE IN-LAY IS A BIG DEAL.

>> ON THE HEADSTOCK, THERE'S A FERN DESIGN AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE PRIMARY INSTRUMENTS OF DAVID GRISTMAN WE MENTIONED AT THE START, "WITH OLD AND IN THE WAY."

>> Ted: THERE WE GO.

>> A POWERFUL MANDOLIN THAT CHANGED THE MUSIC WE HEAR TODAY.

>> Ted: FANTASTIC!

WE HAVE ONE MORE, JOHN HARTFORD AND LOOK AT THAT, AN OPEN-BACKED BAND AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE A RESONATOR ON THE BACK OF THAT INSTRUMENT SO THE VIBRATING HEAD, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ENCLOSED ON THE BACK STRUCTURE OF THAT INSTRUMENT.

A LOT OF BLUEGRASS INSTRUMENTS HAVE A RESONATOR.

THESE OLDER INSTRUMENTS TEND TO BE OPEN-BACK BANJOS AND JOHN HARTFORD PREFERRED IT, LIKED THE BAYWAY IT WAS AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE.

>> Ted: DID HE DO "GENTLE ON MY MIND"?

>> ONE OF THE MOST RECORDED SONGS IN HISTORY.

>> Ted: ARE THERE PERFORMANCES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS EXHIBIT >> THE MUSIC THEATER HAS AN INCREDIBLE CALENDAR OF EVENTS AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A NUMBER OF SHOWS A ALIGN WITH THIS TOPIC AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF THE YEAR AND MIDDLE PART OF NEXT YEAR, SEEING GREAT LIVE PERFORMANCES.

IF YOU LIKE THIS TOPIC, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE SOME WONDERFUL PERFORMERS.

>> Ted: THE EXHIBIT LASTS UNTIL WHEN?

>> SEPTEMBER 15 OF 2024.

JUST OPENED THIS PAST WEEKEND AND JUST OPENED TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW AND LOOKING FORWARD TO PEOPLE SEEING IT.

>> Ted: I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT.

THE CURATOR AND I MOW THIS IS CLOSEKNOW THIS ISCLOSE TO YOUR HEART.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

I'M TED SIMONS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.